Topic: New Computer Parts

So yeah, another one of these... I'm building myself a new computer that will last me the next few years at university so I'm hoping to upgrade to something decent that's not going to piss me off and that will also allow me to play pretty games at 1680x1050 (22" WS) with high detail graphics.

Anyhow I was looking at parts as a started and I've managed to come up with

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600, 2.4GHz, LGA775  $401.79
Asustek NVidia 7950GT 512MB PCI-E 2x DVI-IEN7950GT/HTDP/ 512MB HDCP Compliant Allow playback of HD DVD  $439.00
Seagate 320GB Serial ATA HDD  $127.12 (Will buy another later)

Now for the RAM I've been suggested one of the following

Corsair TWIN2X1024-5400C4 DDR2-667 1GB Kit 4-4-4-12 (The TWIN2X1024-5400C4 is a 1024 MByte matched pair of DDR2 SDRAM)  $126.98
Corsair TWIN2X2048-5400C4 DDR2-667 2GB Kit 4-4-4-12  $247.98

I haven't looked into motherboards thoroughly yet myself but two viable options that were also suggested to me by my friend were:

Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 Intel P965     $377.00
Asustek P5W DH Deluxe Intel 975X Core 2 Duo ATX  $409.46

Secondly, what kind of power supply will I need? I'm intending to use the case from my old PC so that part is sorted.
These prices are all $NZD (New Zealand Dollar) prices, off www.pricespy.co.nz which is our equivalent of newegg.
So yeah, basically I need suggestions for all the things I'm going to be buying and what you guys think:
- Motherboard
- CPU (should be ok)
- Graphics card (Keep in mind I want to run things at a pretty hi-res)
- Memory (Are those timings ok for DDR2 ram?)
- Harddrive (Only one around 300gb for now will do)
- Power supply (What kind of max output would I want?)

Any help is appreciated in advance big_smile

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Intel Core 2 Duo E6600, 2.4GHz, LGA775 $401.79

Intel price cut inc, expect to regret an immediate purchase if you're buying now. Give it 2 more weeks for retail prices to drop to the new cut prices.

Asustek NVidia 7950GT 512MB PCI-E 2x DVI-IEN7950GT/HTDP/ 512MB HDCP Compliant Allow playback of HD DVD $439.00

Massive waste of money. For less than that, get a 8800GTS 640MB and you've nearly doubled your investment.

Corsair TWIN2X1024-5400C4 DDR2-667 1GB Kit 4-4-4-12 (The TWIN2X1024-5400C4 is a 1024 MByte matched pair of DDR2 SDRAM) $126.98
Corsair TWIN2X2048-5400C4 DDR2-667 2GB Kit 4-4-4-12 $247.98

Anything below DDR2-800 is a poor investment atm. Top of the line (CL4) DDR2-800 RAM can be found for about the same price as you listed, and you get much better latency at any FSB setting.

Also, for purchasing a new computer, you need to consider HDD beyond 320GB. It's not just a matter of capacity, but also performance. 750GB and beyond drives tend to have 32MB cache and degrade a lot more slowly in performance when you fill it up.

If you want a PSU for gaming, go with a 600+W at the bare minimum. OCZ has some powerful PSUs that ppl tend to speak highly of.

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What makes you think there is soon to be an intel price cut?
I was looking at the 8000 series cards and they do not seem to be worth it price wise in NZ: Geforce 8800 GTS, 640MB, PCI Express sits at $654.98 which is a hell of alot more than the 7950GT. Another option might be to use my 6600 for a while until the prices drop and then buy a graphics card then.
Good point on the ram, definetely something I'll look for (frequency), also if anyone could dumb down the timings for me that would be great, I looked into them a while ago and they got a bit confusing.
For the Harddrives what are the specs I would look for? Some number examples?
Also keep in mind these are NZ prices, so that's probably why you freaked out when you saw $439.00 for a 7950GT

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Originally posted by: Staccato
What makes you think there is soon to be an intel price cut?

Hardware companies release hardware according to quarters. Q2 of 07 is comming up. AMD has also dropped prices pushing Intel to compensate.

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G.SKILL DDR2-800 ram is good stuff. I don't know if you are an overclocker, but it's nice and stable past it's stock speeds, and it's cheap, too.

For a PSU, Corsair also has some offerings that have received high praise.

If you are planning on overclocking another board to consider is the Asus P5B or the P5B deluxe.

You could also look at 8600GTS, although I'm not 100% sure how it compares to the 7950.

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Originally posted by: Staccato
What makes you think there is soon to be an intel price cut?
I was looking at the 8000 series cards and they do not seem to be worth it price wise in NZ: Geforce 8800 GTS, 640MB, PCI Express sits at $654.98 which is a hell of alot more than the 7950GT. Another option might be to use my 6600 for a while until the prices drop and then buy a graphics card then.
Good point on the ram, definetely something I'll look for (frequency), also if anyone could dumb down the timings for me that would be great, I looked into them a while ago and they got a bit confusing.
For the Harddrives what are the specs I would look for? Some number examples?
Also keep in mind these are NZ prices, so that's probably why you freaked out when you saw $439.00 for a 7950GT

Actually, the recent price cut on Core 2 Duo already propagated to the retailers. I just checked newegg and the prices listed right now are the new prices. The E6600 is at $235, man, that's a killer deal.

I didn't realize you were listing NZ currency prices. It still might be worth it to hunt for a 8800GTS, even if it means to get a 320MB version. You really don't want to build a new gaming machine without DX10 support now.

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Re: New Computer Parts

Originally posted by: Errrrrrr
Actually, the recent price cut on Core 2 Duo already propagated to the retailers. I just checked newegg and the prices listed right now are the new prices. The E6600 is at $235, man, that's a killer deal.

Try looking at Pricespy, rather then Newegg -- Like Staccato said in the first post; that's the easiest place for us to find parts at the cheapest price here.

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I will say this:  WindowsXP = 1 gig ram or more
Windows Vista = 2 gig ram or more. 
Minimum requirements.
I use vista on 1 gig sad

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Yeah, so I've heard some talk of Intel possibly unveiling Quad Cores soon but I think it would probably be wasteful to wait and buy one of those just because of pricing... but rather get a motherboard that can support those processors when they become available and not so pricey.
I'm probably going to hold on the vid card because those prices are always dropping anyway, so that'll be the thing I get last.

Re: New Computer Parts

Originally posted by: Staccato
Yeah, so I've heard some talk of Intel possibly unveiling Quad Cores soon but I think it would probably be wasteful to wait and buy one of those just because of pricing... but rather get a motherboard that can support those processors when they become available and not so pricey.
I'm probably going to hold on the vid card because those prices are always dropping anyway, so that'll be the thing I get last.

First of all, quad cores have been out for ages. In fact, Intel is lining up the QX6600-6700 at very competitive pricing. Whether quad core is really that important for gaming in the near future is a whole other investigation, though.

Also, it really isn't "wasteful" to wait for announced price cuts. In fact, the price cut that I mentioned previously was announced by Intel at the beginning of the month, and was promised to take effect this week. And it has. This kind of price cut (esp. with the launch of new products, the E6320 and E6420) is worth waiting for because they are quite significant and are different from regular small price adjustment from retailers. For instance, waiting for the E6600 for a week or two can already save you $90 (from the old $315 to the new $225), and you probably won't see price cuts of this scale again for quite a few months.

In the big picture, prices are always dropping due to a lot of reasons. Refined manufacturing technology will lower silicon defect rate and increase yields, and naturally lower manufacturing cost, and that is usually the primary cause of price drops in new hardware parts. Waiting for this kind of price drop is futile, as it is continuous and at best minor. Competition is another big factor in certain segments (such as the entry level and mainstream). Waiting for this kind of price adjustment is worthwhile, especially if news come out about a slated launch of new products. This is especially the case when the newly launched products are higher end parts that aim to be sold at large profit margins, as the lower end products in the same line will then get pushed down to lower profit ranges. The recent price cut from Intel is a result of a combination of AMD's competition (recent gigantic price cuts on X2's), and a preparation for Intel's own products (the upcoming 1333MHz FSB C2D's).

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You'll really wanna get a 8xxx series card, or the upcoming ATI R600, if it ever comes out. Throwing down that kind of money for a graphics card, I'd want DX10 support.

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Ok I've redone my draft:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz 1066FSB LGA775 Processor OEM Pack       
Western Digital Caviar SE 320GB 7200rpm 8MB SATAII hard drive       
Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 Intel 965P 2x PCI-EX16 LGA775 ATX           
1GB Corsair DDR2-800 Dual Channel Memory Kit 2x512Mb (the timings for this is 5-5-5-12)
Gigabyte GeForce 8800GTS 320MB PCI-E graphics card           
ThermalTake TR2 550W ATX2.0 PFC 12 CM FAN[W0101]       

At this point, the reason I've chosen some of the manufacturers for the parts is that the majority is offered from the same retailer and therefore I will be able to receive some form of discount.
What do you guys think? Would the power supply and RAM be adequate for a Vista gaming system? Is the Hard-drive a good choice? It's a SATAII but only has an 8mb cache... is that alright?

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Well, the change to Western Digital sends up flags for me, but only because I've been told independently by several friends that they blow in comparison to Seagate. Can't offer you anything substantial though.

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I've had the exact opposite experience personally Viserys. Having a seagate and a WD drive currently, the WD is quieter and doesn't generate as much heat.
But then, it's the same with graphics card.. Some have tons of driver issues with ATI, others with nvidia, so it seems luck of the draw.

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Really? They're the guys that make the Raptor hard-drives, and they're SATAII, so even with the 8mb cache shouldn't they blow the 16mb cache SATA I Seagate out of the water?
Edit: Also what do you guys think of the PSU unit? Will 550W cut it? If not I would really like to downgrade to a generic 600w or something and save about NZ$55 or about a third of the price
I was thinking ATX TASK DOUBLE FAN 600W PSU Max:650W    $99.00 or is getting a decent brand PSU quite important? It's just that atm where prices stand I've gone over my budget by quite a bit, though intel's prices and graphics card prices will drop quite a bit by the time I actually buy the computer (2 weeks maybe)

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550W will run your setup fine. You won't have room to SLi in the future on that PSU, but it is better to get a good psu than more power on a cheap one. The cheap one probably won't run as close to it's max anyway, and they usually don't deliver a steady voltage which is bad for stability and your hardware in general.

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Re: New Computer Parts

Originally posted by: Staccato
Ok I've redone my draft:

Western Digital Caviar SE 320GB 7200rpm 8MB SATAII hard drive       
1GB Corsair DDR2-800 Dual Channel Memory Kit 2x512Mb (the timings for this is 5-5-5-12)
[W0101]

I highly recommend a larger HDD (with 16MB cache) and 2GB of RAM. Playing games with 1GB of RAM is getting worse and worse, and when you upgrade to Vista it'll be virtually unlivable. About HDD, forget the SATA II interface, it makes no difference. Even PATA is enough for most HDDs' tranfer rate, the whole SATA II thing is a marketing trick. Note also that the Raptor drives all use SATA I, and they sustain better transfer rate than most other drives. Once again, a 320MB drive is getting too small. It's not just because you'll fill it up more easily, it's the fact that you'll fill most of it up easily. Even if you don't need the extra 180MB or whatever in a larger drive, your smaller drive's performance will degrade much more with the same amount of data written on it. With HDDs being such a cheap component in your computer, you really should spend a few more bucks on it.

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Okay... I've made those adjustments and I've gone WAY over budget and atm it looks like this:

Part Name    Price
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz 1066FSB LGA775 Processor OEM Pack    $381.77
Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB SATA2 Drive 16MB Cache Store Capacity 500GB Cache 16MB hard drive    $223.88
Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 Intel 965P 2x PCI-EX16 LGA775 ATX    $377.00
Gigabyte GeForce 8800GTS 320MB PCI-E graphics card    $529.00
Thermaltake TR2 550W ATX2.0 PFC 12 CM FAN    $151.85
Total from OCZone    $1,663.50
2048Mb Corsair XMS TWIN2X2048-6400 DDR2-800 Memory Kit    $285.00
Total Cost    $1,948.50

I was hoping to keep it around 1700-1750 but I guess I will have to go over a little bit.
I was thinking of things to cheap out on in order to save a bit of money... without sacrificing any of the things I really wanted to keep I thought of the harddrive possibly and the power supply..
I could buy a smaller one now and then possibly buy a 500GB or bigger in about 6 months time when I need it.
Secondly, how would a 450 or 500W PSU sit on this machine? Or is 550W kinda the bare minimum?
I looked at the nForce 680i chipsets but there didn't seem to be toooo much of a difference atm that would justify me spending that much more money on a good one - I wouldn't need the overclocking capabilities or the 3 16x PCI-E slots

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One thing to point out: the CPU being OEM is likely to not include a cooler, and you might want to confirm with the retailer. Buying a separate cooler isn't expensive, but it's something you have to do.

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