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Topic: laptop battery

So, I have a Dell laptop, and it's got one of the batteries that got recalled for short life or whatever.

What I'm looking for is advice on how to keep the battery from dieing really fast. I'm not talking about time I can go without it being plugged in, I'm talking about how fast the battery develops an artificial max, and won't charge. As an example, my battery that has yet to be replaced is only 2 years old, and holds no charge. If I were to unplug my comp, it would die. Immediatly.

So, how does one avoid that in the future? (aside from the obvious 'get a battery that isn't broken')

Re: laptop battery

When the laptop is plugged in and the battery is fully charged, remove the battery until you are going to use the battery.

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Re: laptop battery

Originally posted by: Dustin
When the laptop is plugged in and the battery is fully charged, remove the battery until you are going to use the battery.

this is good advice. i didnt do this with my laptop, left it plugged in for about a week or so, and that was it. my battery doesnt last longer then like 30 minutes now. used to go for like 5 or 6 hours easy... sad

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A lithium ion battery should not have massive degradation issues. The chemical process is almost fully reversible from charge to recharge - the last batteries to suffer from major life shortening were Nickel-Cadmium.  The battery you got is flawed, get a new one. Dell sucks at batteries.

If you want a placebo to feel better about your battery, do not do what Dustin and velodyne suggested, but instead when you get a new battery, allow it to charge and fully drain several times before using it thoroughly. I'm too lazy to look for sources, but Li-Ion batteries actually LIKE being "charged" when they aren't empty. After the initial rundown, you should avoid completely depleting them.

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Re: laptop battery

Originally posted by: Pissingintowind
A lithium ion battery should not have massive degradation issues. The chemical process is almost fully reversible from charge to recharge - the last batteries to suffer from major life shortening were Nickel-Cadmium.  The battery you got is flawed, get a new one. Dell sucks at batteries.

Actually, you're probably a bit mixed up.   Li-Ion doesn't have memory problems like NiCad.  It does have massive degradation issues however:  They only work for approximately 600 full charge/discharge cycles where they give >90% of their new capacity before they rapidly take a -severe- drop in battery life (often to under 50%) which only gets progressively worse.   600 cycles is approximately two years if you use your laptop every day.

No amount of being careful with your Li-Ion will really mitigate that, though the degradation is exacerbated if you use it at high temperatures (and with some laptops, that's just the norm, especially if you've got it on your desk chained to wall power blasting dual cores playing a game.)  In this case, it's good to remove the battery if you're using it for extended periods on a desk plugged in.

It's only NiMH which has neither memory nor degradation problems, NiMH can frequently be charged/discharged more than 5000 times if you have a good charger and aren't using "quick" chargers.   That's why portable radios like used by police and security use NiMH usually, since they get massive battery charge/discharge abuse.  Only downside to NiMH is that they don't have the same charge density as Li-Ion, and Li-Ion are lighter to boot.   Which is why laptops only use li-ion now, else they'd be much heavier and probably bigger.

Li-Ion batteries actually have a small microchip inside which monitors the battery and makes sure you don't get reversed cells / other problems,  which is why you should not ever run your li-ion battery down till it is completely dead  but instead shut it down when your OS starts whining at you.   If you power your system back on after windows does the emergency hibernate thing, then run it till it dies, this can result in a reversed cell.   If you ever do run it to totally dead, recharge it as soon as possible.

Due to the same protection circuitry having to always be running, if you're not going to use your battery for an extended period of time (>2 weeks), you should always leave it at 50% charge before storing it,  storing it dead will cause the same problems, the battery will eventually die, the chip won't get power to run itself,  and you might end up with reversed cells.

(by the way, I didn't make any of this up, it comes in the manual with many laptops, cell phones, etc, and it's generally accepted advice across the 'net)

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Re: laptop battery

This thread is a bit concerning. I often leave my laptop on standby but plugged in when idled is that bad. Also I get lazy sometimes and leave it unplugged on standby in my bag. Should I be changing my habits in anyway?

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Re: laptop battery

Originally posted by: Taknarosh
This thread is a bit concerning. I often leave my laptop on standby but plugged in when idled is that bad. Also I get lazy sometimes and leave it unplugged on standby in my bag. Should I be changing my habits in anyway?


Well, when it's plugged in and in standby, it's probably not generating much heat, so that's not an issue.   It's really only a problem if you leave it plugged in with the battery connected while the laptop is running, and it's generating a lot of heat which is bad for the battery.

As to leaving it in your bag on standby,  I destroyed a battery that way.  Left a laptop on standby for 2 weeks, it bled the battery beyond the safety point, and it went beyond the point of no return (the protection circuitry stopped running.)   The battery never charged again, and since that's not covered under warranty, had to shell out $140 for a new one.    If you're going to leave it in standby in your bag for extended periods, then hibernate it.    OSX Tiger and up has "Safe Sleep" which will do a standby with optimistic hibernate, so while it's in sleep you can yank the battery and not lose any data.   Windows Vista has something similar as well.   If you can't get into the habit of remembering to take the battery out, maybe you should make hibernate be the default, and only suspend when you're sure you'll be using it again soon.

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Re: laptop battery

It's really only a problem if you leave it plugged in with the battery connected while the laptop is running, and it's generating a lot of heat which is bad for the battery.

So if it's fully charged but I'm using my laptop I should remove the battery or unplug the power cord?

As to leaving it in your bag on standby,  I destroyed a battery that way.  Left a laptop on standby for 2 weeks, it bled the battery beyond the safety point, and it went beyond the point of no return (the protection circuitry stopped running.)   The battery never charged again, and since that's not covered under warranty, had to shell out $140 for a new one.    If you're going to leave it in standby in your bag for extended periods, then hibernate it.    OSX Tiger and up has "Safe Sleep" which will do a standby with optimistic hibernate, so while it's in sleep you can yank the battery and not lose any data.   Windows Vista has something similar as well.   If you can't get into the habit of remembering to take the battery out, maybe you should make hibernate be the default, and only suspend when you're sure you'll be using it again soon.

Okay cool, the longest I've left my computer on standby is over the weekend. Is there possibly a compounding effect?

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Re: laptop battery

Originally posted by: Taknarosh
So if it's fully charged but I'm using my laptop I should remove the battery or unplug the power cord?

   Whenever you have the option to use the cord,  stay on the cord, and pull out the battery.

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Re: laptop battery

Question, does this apply to cell phone batteries as well?

Re: laptop battery

A lot of cellphones are lith-ion now. You can look at the battery and it should identify the type on it.

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Re: laptop battery

Interesting, because I run cell phone batteries dead all the time. I have for several years, and I know people who have for several years, yet no one has damaged their battery. Is this something that isn't all that common, but since a laptop battery costs like 140 dollars, you should be careful of it?

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Re: laptop battery

Originally posted by: Big O
Interesting, because I run cell phone batteries dead all the time. I have for several years, and I know people who have for several years, yet no one has damaged their battery. Is this something that isn't all that common, but since a laptop battery costs like 140 dollars, you should be careful of it?


Running it dead isn't a problem so long as you charge it back soon after.   The protection circuitry kicks in and shuts off the battery before you can ruin it.  Problem is, if you leave it in that almost-dead state for 2 weeks, since the battery is almost dead it just bleeds the little remaining power then really dies.   Most people recharge their cell phone as soon as they get near an outlet, within a day of running it dead, so it's not a problem.

I went past the number of charge cycles on my razr phone.  The battery went from 4 days of life to 1 day of life to eventually only lasting 1-2 hours on a full charge.  Luckily, I had the insurance plan so I was able to get it replaced for free though. 

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Re: laptop battery

Ah, alright.