Topic: Life

Can we just discuss how impractical it is to do what you love doing, even if you're good at it?  I mean of course if you are good at a certain subject in school and enjoy it, you're in luck.  But I'm talking about other things.  Art, music, sports, etc.

Every day I feel myself slip further away from my dream and continue further down the path of doing something I don't really enjoy doing that much but need to for the sake of my future.  It really sucks.  It's not that I hate school, it's just that I don't feel it's right for me.  I'd rather spend every second of my life playing in a band, on tour, writing music for others, etc.  But I can't do that cause there's the huge possibility that it will lead me nowhere.  I don't know what to do with myself.  I keep telling myself things will get better, but they're really only getting worse.  I could never bring myself to tell my parents I feel this way either.  So I just continue to do okay in school, not great but better than a vast majority of people, mope around, and occasionally hang out when work is done. 

Do any of you feel the same way I do or are in the same ballpark I am?  Cause nobody here can relate to me.  Everyone is a bunch of type-A, incredibly high strung people who would go so far as to abusing Adderall and Speed to get work done on time/be successful.  I could never be one of those people and because of that I'm left feeling out of place and shitty.

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I can relate to you just fine, don't worry.
There's always a middle ground. Surely you can find something that will lead you somewhere and that you'll find enjoyable. Surely you can enjoy other things and not just playing in a band... no?
(Meh, I wrote a huge post, deleted it, wrote another huge post, deleted it too, and settled for this short post instead)

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How old are you, anyway?

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Great post by Killgore down there.

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Just define your goals, and recognize that some goals are incompatible with others.

Is it really priority number 1 for you to be in music? If so, then just do that, and you're fine, because you're doing what you want to do. Or is it priority number 1 to be able to provide for yourself and those you love consistently and reliably? If so, then first you need to admit that to yourself, and then find the best way for you to be able to do that. You'll be fine that way too, because you're doing what you want to do, which is to be able to provide for your own family.

Really, your only problem is that you don't know what you want. If you really wanted to be in music, what concern is it of yours that it will lead you nowhere? If music is your goal, then get in music, and wherever it leads you is not your concern. If it's more important to you to have a stable, comfortable future, then find a way to make a good income and forget about music except maybe as a hobby. Realize you're still doing what it is that you want most, and you'll be happy.

People who ask these sorts of questions and mope around are really thinking too hard and making the whole issue much more difficult than it has to be.They also have a problem with not knowing themselves very well. Just answer this question: what one thing do you really really want more than anything else? You have to be able to answer that before you can even start deciding what you want to do.

Talking about dreams makes everything confusing, because everyone dreams about everything at one point or another. Also, dreams are so difficult to define. Yes I dream about being an astronaut, but does that mean I actually want to do it? Or when I say dream, do I mean that I really want to do that at the cost of all else? "My dream" really doesn't have any clear meaning whatsoever.

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That's where I'm torn..I want to be able to stably provide for a family at some point but I only have 1 shot at spending my life doing what I know I'll love doing.  I'm going to school to get my business degree with a specialization in media management because I know holding a career in some aspect of the music field will be enjoyable to at least some extent.  Of course it's nowhere near writing and playing but I at least know I'll enjoy it and will be able to provide for a family.  I plan on going to work for a label or talent agency straight out of school and then eventually opening my own when I find a few competent partners and have a decade or so of experience under my belt. 

But my number one goal in life is to play in a successful band, tour the country, create music that others enjoy and can relate to.  You may say "You can do that while in school" but really, it's impossible.  I don't find nearly enough time to practice, let alone write.  And I can't help but question my decision to have some middle ground while I could be playing and trying to take my music somewhere.

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For this specific situation, I have a roommate in a very similar situation who also doesn't know what he wants to do. My advice to him has always been that you can get a degree in something else, business like both of yall are doing and that will provide you with a stable career path after school. You are then shooting down the rest of my idea right off the bat, but it's still my advice. You make time for your career path, and then you make time for your hobbies...it seems to me that there HAS to be enough time to do more than just school. If you want to take music theory classes, or other types of music classes, take those as your extracurriculars and spare time. So really, this is how he's approaching it right now as well as some other friends of mine have always treated it, he's taking classes and planning on graduating with a stable future...but all of his extra time is either hanging out or doing music composition. Another friend of mine doing the same thing just released his first album with a band he's gotten together with while at school.

So, if your number one goal is to be in a successful band, but you are also afraid of not being stable...take this sort of approach. Get a degree where if the music doesn't work out, you won't be fucked. If you want to really try to make the music thing happen, when you graduate, go off and try it...if it's going somewhere, awesome, your goal is being achieved and you are on your way. If it doesn't, you've got the degree, you've got a career ahead of you and you are still gonna be ok.

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raptor's suggestion is probably best, and Killgore's philosophy is solid.

Here's the thing: obviously there are people out there who make money doing music.  If you're good, it's not exactly an unattainable goal (not that it won't be hard.)

I'm in a similar situation.  I'm going to school for Creative Writing, which by all conventional wisdom, should make me absolutely no money and should end up being a waste of my time.

I'm taking the risk though.  Guess I'm a gambler.  The thing is: there are lots of other ways to make it through life without following some step-by-step guide (these step-by-step guides usually include business school.)  What if writing doesn't work out for me?  ...don't know; I'll still be alive though, and I've still got options open to me.  Having a degree at ALL opens doors.  So even if I'm not a famous writer some day, I'll find something;  and honestly, it's the journey, not the destination.  I get my enjoyment out of day to day life, not through some far-off career option that I may never reach.  As long as I'm alive, I can find a reason to find life fulfilling.

Magis asked, and I will too: how old are you?  My guess is you're right around 20 years old, somewhere between 18-21.  You've got your whole life ahead of you!   Stop worrying about being on the right path blah blah blah.  There IS no right path.  Life is completely what you make it.  So what if your music career fails and you have to go back to school at 26?  Shit I'm back in school at the age of 26.  By conventional wisdom, I "wasted" about four years doing nothing but delivering pizza and smoking pot.  But honestly, that was exactly what my life needed at the time.  I needed to waste some time, have some fun, mature up a bit, because I couldn't handle school at the time.  I don't regret a single thing that has happened in my life, because everything that has happened to me has caused me to be who I am. 

I say:  who gives a shit what all the other adderall fiends (aka: meth-heads) around you say is right and moral and just.  Do what you want.  If that includes business school, good.  If it doesn't, fine.  Just don't let other people define your reality for you.

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yeah, it sounds from your answer like you're mainly interested in doing music, but you feel selfish or guilty about that. You think that the 'right' thing to do is to have a family and provide for them... that's probably what your parents want you to do, and that's probably what most of your friends want to do. But if you can honestly say to yourself that music is your number one goal, then screw providing for others... do music and don't look back. We wouldn't have any rock stars if they all cared more about providing a stable financial future for their children than they did music.

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I think Gerad would be a good person to talk to. I won't tell his story for him but he seems like he would be able to relate quite well. Reroll alliance already and you can talk to him ALL THE TIME.

I had a very long post threading my own stories into my message but after reading it, killgore made all the same points I was going to make.

It sounds to me like you need to do some real soul searching and find out what is most important to you in your hearts of hearts.

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I'm gonna sit down with my parents and discuss options. I have a few options at this point:  Continue on my current path, Move home yet still go to the same school (bout a 40 minute commute without traffic, so I guess it's manageable), or find a band that's already established to play with.  Anyway, thanks for the insight.  I'm just having one of those days where you have a few realizations and I was already in a shitty mood and it all just sort of added up and none of my friends relate to me at all. 

I mean, I think I'm a decent musician.  It's my passion and definitely what I'm best at.  I've been performing for years and people always tell me never to give up cause I'm going to go places and that everything is always solid.  Pissing can attest to that =]

I'm 20, a sophomore in college. 

And Dug, I'll be on 24/7 following December 15th =]  I almost rolled today but didn't for the sake of my grades.

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You are only 20. You have years and years and years and years left in your life. If you want to pursue music, pursue music. There is no law that says you can't go back to school when you are older. Of course, you can also pursue a career in music while continuing in school. They are not mutually exclusive, if anything, being in school helps because it is easier to find people to play music with and it is easier to find an audience.

If you really enjoy music and you think that is the only thing you want to do switch your major to music or drop out and try and find a job doing what you love.

Worst case scenario is that after a few years you still aren't where you want to be. If that is the case you can go back to school and figure things out.

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Would running a music store and giving guitar lessions (or whatever you play) sound good to you?

If so you should try and aim for doing that, because doing one of those jobs from what I can tell keeps you VERY informed about the music scene in your area, and even after you are done with school it would be easy to find people to jam with.  Plus you go and teach people to play for some extra bucks when you feel like it, and that should be fun for you if playing is what you truely love doing.  And unless you don't like the idea of running your own store or at least working at one as a manager or something, I think that would also help to further the goal.  Thats pretty much the life of a guy I took guitar lessons from in Peoria was.  He was a cool guy too, it kept him young.  I met his in-laws waiting at a restaurant one time, and they (arent they some of the most critical people of any man?) said they wished he made a little more money, but in the end he provided for his family and they all seemed to love him, you could really tell they actually liked the guy and enjoyed his company.  Part of that I am sure is that his chosen career kept him young.

Anyway ya srsly dewd, you are only 20.  As long as you don't bury yourself with financial commitments like paying for housing and car loans or some shit, it is always feasible to quit working full time and go back to school.  KEY WORDS THOUGH: if you think you might do this, DO NOT MAKE FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS and cock-block yourself from being able to afford going back to school if you wanted, because from everything I have seen, this is what fucks people over who wanted to go back to school but never did. 

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Originally posted by: Legal_My_Deagle
Anyway ya srsly dewd, you are only 20.  As long as you don't bury yourself with financial commitments like paying for housing and car loans or some shit, it is always feasible to quit working full time and go back to school.  KEY WORDS THOUGH: if you think you might do this, DO NOT MAKE FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS and cock-block yourself from being able to afford going back to school if you wanted, because from everything I have seen, this is what fucks people over who wanted to go back to school but never did.

He is saying don't get married and don't knock anyone up if you drop out and want to have the option to go back to school at some point.

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I hate to be a big downer here, but it will be really, really hard to make it in music unless you have a good/unique voice, or are the next Eric Clapton.

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Originally posted by: KingofNewYork

Originally posted by: Legal_My_Deagle
Anyway ya srsly dewd, you are only 20.  As long as you don't bury yourself with financial commitments like paying for housing and car loans or some shit, it is always feasible to quit working full time and go back to school.  KEY WORDS THOUGH: if you think you might do this, DO NOT MAKE FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS and cock-block yourself from being able to afford going back to school if you wanted, because from everything I have seen, this is what fucks people over who wanted to go back to school but never did.

He is saying don't get married and don't knock anyone up if you drop out and want to have the option to go back to school at some point.

agreed. dropping out is great as long as you leave the option to go back.  So go wild, just don't go TOO wild.

or sleep with stupid girls who don't use birth control or condoms.

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Originally posted by: darin
I hate to be a big downer here, but it will be really, really hard to make it in music unless you have a good/unique voice, or are the next Eric Clapton.

Yeah right, Eric Clapton would be a huge failure nowadays. You can't make it in music if you have any talent whatsoever. You have to be a mishmash of retarded fags that are marketable and barely able to play instruments. You also have to be willing to give up on playing your own songs and play the songs that a record producer has written for you. Also, you have to dress like a douchebag.

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Originally posted by: KingofNewYork

Originally posted by: darin
I hate to be a big downer here, but it will be really, really hard to make it in music unless you have a good/unique voice, or are the next Eric Clapton.

Yeah right, Eric Clapton would be a huge failure nowadays. You can't make it in music if you have any talent whatsoever. You have to be a mishmash of retarded fags that are marketable and barely able to play instruments. You also have to be willing to give up on playing your own songs and play the songs that a record producer has written for you. Also, you have to dress like a douchebag.


Or you could go into country music...


...*snort*...


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All you have to do is prove you can write good music (breakout release).  Then once a record label sees this, they'll sign you and usually tell you what type of good music to write.  Also, make you wear gay clothes, shoot gay videos, and pose for gay photos.

But hey, at least I'm doing what I have a passion for.

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Originally posted by: KingofNewYork

Originally posted by: Legal_My_Deagle
Anyway ya srsly dewd, you are only 20.  As long as you don't bury yourself with financial commitments like paying for housing and car loans or some shit, it is always feasible to quit working full time and go back to school.  KEY WORDS THOUGH: if you think you might do this, DO NOT MAKE FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS and cock-block yourself from being able to afford going back to school if you wanted, because from everything I have seen, this is what fucks people over who wanted to go back to school but never did.

He is saying don't get married and don't knock anyone up if you drop out and want to have the option to go back to school at some point.

Truth, marriage and children are the worst financial commitments of all for somebody who wants to go back to school.

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Question:  Which is your passion, music or rock music?

There's a big difference.  If you simply want to play music, there's plenty of opportunity to make money- teaching for example.  Not much, granted, but then you have to ask yourself: which is more important, doing what you want or making a lot of money doing something you hate?

BUT, if your answer is rock music, as in you want to be in a band, travel and play to huge crowds, obviously playing as a lounge singer type musician (or professor) would just NOT do it for you.

so, is your passion music or rock music?

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ROCK N ROLL! haha.  i used to give drum lessons at school for community service.  i enjoyed it a lot to be honest.  i'll probably end up looking for kids to teach this summer but actually get payed this time. 

i'm going to spend Christmas break doing quite a bit of thinking and discussing..

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Some of the time I do what I like to do. Rest of the time I do what I have to do.

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Originally posted by: Warheart
ROCK N ROLL! haha.  i used to give drum lessons at school for community service.  i enjoyed it a lot to be honest.  i'll probably end up looking for kids to teach this summer but actually get payed this time. 

i'm going to spend Christmas break doing quite a bit of thinking and discussing..

There you go man.  What do you think about, as a back up plan, running or managing a music store and giving drum lessons?  Like I said, it would be a great way to keep your finger on the pulse of the music scene in your area and even if you don't ever get BIG, you would always have easy access to playing in a kick ass band by knowing the right kind of people. 

If you don't like the idea of running or managing any kind of store at all though, obviously that wouldn't work.  Thats why I ask.

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