Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

No, your problem is that you are still confusing guildmates with friends. Unless you talk to them outside of WoW and/or about things deeper than how they play their class and what PHAT LEWTS you both have, you're not really friends.

To most of the people you play WoW with, you are merely a means to an end, that's why taking communication to another medium is a big part of it.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Originally posted by: Viserys
No, your problem is that you are still confusing guildmates with friends. Unless you talk to them outside of WoW and/or about things deeper than how they play their class and what PHAT LEWTS you both have, you're not really friends.

Ya, you may be right about this.  We talked about a lot of other stuff too, but nothing "deep" though.

To most of the people you play WoW with, you are merely a means to an end, that's why taking communication to another medium is a big part of it.

Maybe this is where I keep getting fucked up.  I don't think that even if you only know people casually on the internet that you should treat ANYBODY as merely a means to an end.  Thats bullshit.  Human beings are not a means to an end.  I don't want to treat people like that and I don't want other people to treat me as such.

Me thinking that isn't going to stop people from doing it though.  I guess there might be my problem.  Not to sound emo, but I guess that is kind of an unrealistic expectation of mine.  =/

ahh phone, gotta go.  maybe edit in more later.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Well, it's WoW in particular that exacerbates the "means to an end" thing. Someone who meets you through WoW is probably interested in their own player character first and foremost, because it's a game, and not really anything more than a game.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Idd like to add in Leagle that from what i understand, you might be going against your own human nature. What do i mean?
Lets say you have an extremely caring attitude and outlook toward the homeless, the street kids and the destitude. Although you are kind hearted toward people, lets say others do not act in the same way to you. You're treeted horribly by your colleagues, the people you come in contact with.

Would you then resort to treat people unkindly just because you got such treatment? Will it make you a bitter person?
Does it hurt to ill-treated like that? of course it does.

From what i understand i think you do care about your friends, whether it is online or offline. Now, whether or not they care in the same manner as you do is an entirely different story. Having said that, there are times when you find out that they actually care less about you than you about them, it will hurt. Nevertheless, i feel you shouldn't change to "i dont care" or turn bitter because of it. If anything, at least now you can be prepared if history repeats itself.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Originally posted by: Viserys
Well, it's WoW in particular that exacerbates the "means to an end" thing. Someone who meets you through WoW is probably interested in their own player character first and foremost, because it's a game, and not really anything more than a game.

WoW is just a game, but the people on it are REAL people, not AI or something. 

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

let's have a Blizzpub East convention

i've got candy and puppies!

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Originally posted by: Legal_My_Deagle

Originally posted by: Viserys
Well, it's WoW in particular that exacerbates the "means to an end" thing. Someone who meets you through WoW is probably interested in their own player character first and foremost, because it's a game, and not really anything more than a game.

WoW is just a game, but the people on it are REAL people, not AI or something.


This doesn't really change the fact that until you step beyond the guildmate relationship to something more meaningful, advancing their PC is more important than your wellbeing, because they are playing the game primarily to experience the game.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

I consider Das and Thayme my friends. Even though das smokes glorified hookah in detriot.

Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Viserys wrote:

Originally posted by: Legal_My_Deagle

Originally posted by: Viserys
Well, it's WoW in particular that exacerbates the "means to an end" thing. Someone who meets you through WoW is probably interested in their own player character first and foremost, because it's a game, and not really anything more than a game.

WoW is just a game, but the people on it are REAL people, not AI or something.

This doesn't really change the fact that until you step beyond the guildmate relationship to something more meaningful, advancing their PC is more important than your wellbeing, because they are playing the game primarily to experience the game.

I realize this is like months later, but I was just rereading this since jordan replied and I want to say that I realize that for most people, including me, when I am playing WoW my primary motivation is to enjoy the game.  However, does that have anything to do with how you should treat other people?  OF COURSE NOT.  That is ridiculous.  I play WoW mostly to enjoy the game, but that doesn't give me the right to go around being a douchefag to everybody for no reason.  Me playing WoW to enjoy the gameplay has nothing at all to do with being a dick to everybody while doing it...unless the way you enjoy WoW is it giving you a chance to be a douchefag without fear of being punched in the face for it - in which case you are still a douchefag IRL, regardless.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

It's not a question of being a douchebag. You can be civil and still not form meaningful relationships with the people you're playing with. smile

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

I only re-read the second page, but I think what I was bitching about was basically people being douchefags even after "knowing" them on the internet for a while, ya?

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Ah, I thought you were replying to my previous post in particular.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

I was...

I am confused sad

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

I think you are misinterpreting my posts, maybe. I'm saying in general your relationship with guildmates will be shallow at worst and business-like at best unless you are actually interested in pursuing a meaningful friendship. Douchefaggery is not necessarily part of the relationship. It's like that "drinking buddies" thread we had earlier - they are not necessarily your "friends" until you move past WoW.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

ya, they arent really your friends till you move past WoW, however now I am saying that doesn't make it ok for them to be douchefags just because we arent friends.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Well, agreed. smile Thus the "business relationship" comment. You are working together in an environment (the game) to pursue a mutual goal. Civilty definitely helps, especially keeping in mind (like you said) that they're still people.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Then we are agreed big_smile  I think the business relationship analogy is good too.  Friends on WoW are sort of like friends at work that you never see outside of work I guess.

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Re: Are people on the internet ever really your friends?

Different than y'all I am in a guild where literally I know a few of the members on an offline basis. A lot of the others, know each other in an offline basis as well. So it seems to make our conversation more... substantial. For instance, one of our members had a surgery lately and  not only did eveyone know about it, but we knew why, how, what, how it affected, etc for the people involved. Its different than the normal guild tho, obv.

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