Topic: Reality Shows

Recently I had the opportunity to watch some 'reality' shows (I'm not sure if that is the correct term, but as I understand it should be) Some examples are
Big Brother, Rock of Love, Best Friend Forever, Made (mostly on the MTV channel).
I have a hunch that it is all made up something along the lines of wrestling, but I could be wrong?

Any thoughts and comments or knowledge about these shows?

Lastly, shows where there are eliminations without viewers voting, who makes the decisions?

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I believe that most of these shows are staged, though they try to make it appear as if they aren't.   Some to varying degrees.  I believe that the competition shows are legitimate competitions, but the contestants are picked not based on their abilities, but rather how much drama the combination of contestants will produce.  Likewise the filming is, of course, edited to make certain people look worse or better.

the closest show to actual reality that I've seen is Deadliest Catch.  There's no need to edit the bering sea to make it more dramatic;  reality alone is pretty intense.  I'm sure they've cut out hours and hours of downtime where nothing is happening for dramatic purposes, but nothing should be staged.  The crabbers wouldn't stand for it if it were, they're all business.

Most reality TV pisses me off.  then again, most TV in general pisses me off.

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I've long suspected competitive reality shows are rigged.  They want to make them appear as dramatic as possible, so they'll rig it if the prospective outcome doesn't look exciting.  I used to watch Survivor all the time.  In the first season I remember reading somewhere that the show's producer told the contestants not to vote off three old people in a row.

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Reality shows in general would have to be somewhat staged.  Things like Extreme Makeover Home Edition, I once heard sometimes they'd record the family's reaction to a room a couple of times because the initial reaction was too weak.

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Extreme Makeover Home Edition came out to Kansas following one of the more disastrous tornadoes.  The rumors I heard is that the show is complete crap, for more than one reason.  The biggest complaint was, the show paints themselves as if they're doing such a good thing, but there are complications that never get addressed and never get aired-  For example, the family isn't allowed to remodel the house or sell it for ten years after the show arrives, and yet they have to pay property taxes on it for those next ten years.  ...You'll notice none of the families they hand these houses to would actually be able to afford the house they're given; that's the whole point.  So when tax time comes, these people end up going bankrupt over owning a house they're not legally allowed to get rid of.

This is all rumor.  I don't know anyone who actually had their house made over.  But as I said, that's what I heard.

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Thanks for the replies! I haven't watched Extreme Makeover Home Edition, but the one I have watched was I paraphrase "Changing ordinary looking people to look better".
One part of me thinks that in filming, it is not easy to capture the best on one shot and therefore several takes are required. This enforces that these reality shows are staged because the lighting is too good, the whole process 'looks good on screen'

The other part is the emotional part. Either they are very good actors (crying, shouting, and more) or they use a lot of onions tongue

Question though, No sane the actor/actress would want to be eliminated early would they? Does that mean they won't be paid well? Why sign up in the first place?
(I just remembered another show where this guy Donald Trump is some big boss, I think the show is called Apprentice)

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Well they're not actors for the most part.  They're pretty much ordinary people picked on various factors, one being they have to mainly have to look good in general, also because of any personality quirks they have.  The staged parts are that they are probably asked/paid to act to various situations in certain ways to keep the show interesting and my guess is the voting off in some shows are influenced by the the director/producers in certain ways in order to get rid of trouble people or keep the ratings up.

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Survivor is usually kick ass. My sister and my dad still watch it.

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Never liked Big Brother, Rock of love was a good thing to watch at the time. Lots of girl I knew watched it so it was an easy line to get them to...

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Well they're not actors for the most part.  They're pretty much ordinary people picked on various factors, one being they have to mainly have to look good in general, also because of any personality quirks they have.  The staged parts are that they are probably asked/paid to act to various situations in certain ways to keep the show interesting and my guess is the voting off in some shows are influenced by the the director/producers in certain ways in order to get rid of trouble people or keep the ratings up.

And then there's the whole "put them in a really stressful situation with no sleep and alone from everyone they know for 2 months" factor.  While not technically staging drama, it's emotionally torturing people for good television.

Also, you'll notice the REAL trouble maker will not ever get voted off until they are down to 3 people (unless there's another trouble maker.)  It's pretty easy to tell who's going to win if you keep up on any of those shows.  There will be one guy who everyone likes and one trouble maker getting into the top three (haven't figured out the common denominator on the third person yet.)  The hated guy will get knocked out and the most liked guy will win.  Going into the show, anyone with half a brain should have one of two strategies:  1- trust their charisma to be better than anyone else's so they'll win, or 2- trust their actual abilities and their ability to cause problems to take third and become infamous.  He'll still get TV interviews afterwards anyway.



Anyone seen Repo yet? ...I'm seeing the ads and can't help but think that the entire thing is staged... ...Every shot I've seen advertised looks like it's acted.  Reminds me more of the WWF then Reality TV.

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I'd love to be on one of these shows. I'd just run around naked all day smoking rolled up maple leaves singing "I'm on TV, suck my peepee.". I'd promote Blizzpub all day and speak of tales of DotA or go off on rants about how Microsoft is going to conquer the world with computers still running WinME.

Otherwise, I used to watch Flava of Love for comedic value. When I was much younger I would watch Real World, Road Rules, and some other things. Wan to watch some really staged reality shows? Watch some of Mtv's line up. The one they evesdrop on a date and the one the parents pick dates for their kid so they leave their current sig-other are obvious.

HAHA the gaming real show. I never watched it but it seems so cheesy. They should have picked people who fit the stereotype of gamers not people who may seem pleasing to the eye. Watching some kids run short distances then stop to catch their breath while calling eah other noobs would catch my attention.

Sober House was the last Real TV I watched and that's because it was actually real to an extent. Sure there was some staged stuff like the remodeling of the house but Steve Adler from GnR, I think that was his name and band, relapsing was worth watching the show.

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Ah yes one of the shows was indeed Flavor of Love (this dude with a clock on his neck picking his girl)
Another question would be, who decides the protagonist? For example who gets to play the lucky person who either chooses his girl, or his friend, or the 'winner'?

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Yeah... Rock of Love or whatever that one is? ...I don't know who actually thinks the dude with the cowboy hat is hot...  And yet the girls seem sold on the idea.  Everyone on that show is a complete tool.  I saw a few episodes where they had girls on there that weren't, and realized the guy was kind of an idiot, but they got booted pretty quick.

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Two examples from both ends of the spectrum:

One of my classmates in high school was on Wife Swap and said that they weren't ever fed lines or anything of that nature. All the drama just came from them picking a mom that completely clashed with the family. This girl was one of those super-organized types and the mom took down all the clocks in the house to try and get them to mellow out. She wouldn't even let the girl's sister go to her piano lessons (e2: was mistaken on this, can't remember what the activity was but someone missed something). That combined with having a camera crew around 24/7 was enough. These "group shows" are probably the realest of any reality shows. They focus mainly on the individuals' reactions together and such.

On the other hand, I went to Pelham High School which is about 15 minutes away from Hoover High School, the site of Two-A-Days that aired on MTV. Given how close we were I had numerous friends that went there and they told me essentially everything on the show was staged. There was one story arc where one of the main characters was "cheating" on his girlfriend. Everyone that "knew" was fed lines and was in on it... except the guy's girlfriend. So the reality in that situation was coming from what amounted to a cruel prank on her. They did break up for real over it. This type of show where they focus more on individuals is probably 80% staged, even though the people on it aren't actual actors. Even if the show is about a group of people, it focuses on individual story arcs and that is where the fake starts to play in I would imagine.



e: Here's the link to the info for Wife Swap episode(s?) that I mentioned. http://abc.go.com/primetime/wifeswap/in … ap#t=77694

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That's kind of cool that you know a few people who've been on the shows.  This topic is something i've been wondering about.

Tatsu, you ever seen Deadliest Catch?  I think it's the best show on TV ATM.  And I seriously doubt any of it is staged.  They have a hard enough time just staying alive and keeping the equipment running; they don't have time for staging (and frankly don't need it.)

There's also a lot of interaction with the filming crew... One episode a cameraman made a mistake that almost got one of the fishermen killed... On another episode the captain was coughing up blood and asking the cameraman not to tell his kid, afterwhich you hear the cameraman whispering to someone else "I don't know what to do..."  It's about as real as it can get, and that's emphasized by the fact that the cameramen are in the same environment as the fishermen; the invisible fourth wall is completely demolished.

If you haven't seen it I'd suggest checking it out.

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Given the nature of what they are filming and the network it is on, I'd say Deadliest Catch is 100% real stuff just edited for the best show. Considering their filming location though I doubt they are editing out a bunch of boring stuff and more just picking out the most exciting/dramatic. My marine biology teacher in high school was a big fan of ocean kayaking and stuff like that and she said from her interactions with people that had done a season on a crabbing boat and her own personal experiences on the strait that what you are seeing on the show is pretty much exactly what it is like. That shit turns boys into men.

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Sucking dick makes men out of boys too.

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Hmm Hell's Kitchen last night had an interesting twist.  I don't recall anything like this happening before (but I tend to watch very few reality shows overall) but someone actually left the show on his own free will because of health problems (something about a sack around his heart upping his chance of a heart attack).

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I would say shows like Deadliest Catch are more like documentaries than "reality TV." I would say reality is contrived situations or games that people are put into and then followed around.

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I agree with hubris - on the defination.

Deadliest Catch is still the most badass show there ever was.

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hubris wrote:

I would say shows like Deadliest Catch are more like documentaries than "reality TV." I would say reality is contrived situations or games that people are put into and then followed around.


well the original reality show- Road Rules- when it first came out, the whole ideal was "real life."  It was supposed to be somewhat of a documentary as well.  definitions have indeed changed over the years.

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Truth be told, I don't have a TV set in my condominium tongue I watched those TV shows while I was in Europe for a bit which brought me wondering about the authenticity of the shows. Haven't seen Deadliest Catch before though

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Yo does anyone watching the dog whisperer? That show is amazing.