WHy Cant you LEAVE THE TROLLS ALONE!?!?! (Page 1 of 2)

Hey, somebody's got to be the fall guy

In all seriousness, though the Trolls have frequently been depicted as the original natives to various regions, they still held a rather malicious, savage, cannibalistic culture and are generally treated by Azerothian history as villains standing in the way of progress by the more civilized races of the world.  I realize that isn't much comfort to someone who's just a general Troll fan, but I guess it's all you get

The real blow to me is the inclination Blizzard seems to be showing between the lines at not including Trolls as a PC race.  Even with this good-natured tribe of Island Trolls they conjured up for the Horde in WCIII, and the variety of units and even heroes among their ranks, they may not consider them solid enough for player material.  It's a sad thing, as there are plenty of people out there who want to play Troll heroes.

I think Blizzard is focusing on designing fewer races (compared to the typical MMORPG) that present more unique and dynamic qualities, and not just a shuffling of basic stats and the general class pool.  There will be more than the four we know, but probably not too many more.  Trolls would be nice, but I place Night Elves and Blood Elves above them.

On the contrary, I feel the Blood Elves were designed with WoW in mind.  The High Elf concept carried from Warcraft II looked a little tepid compared with the reimagining of the elf staple in the Night Elves, so they needed a rebirth into a fresher, more dynamic image just to contrast them from their former kin that kicked them out of the "forest elf" throne.  The Blood Elves are like the High Elves, but emphasize their more eccentric and obsessive nature, which was the only real thing differentiating them from the Night Elves before.

Many fantasy MMORPGs that populate their worlds with elves allow several kinds to be playable, but going back to Blizzard's goals here, the Blood Elf transformation allows both of the Warcraft elf breeds to be playable, while neither overlaps the concept and function of the other.

Well, the Blood Elves haven't technically made that infamous blood pact Ner'Zhul originally did to infect the entire race with the chaotic mentality it once had.  They are simply obsessed with the high magic which is synonomous with that context, and now driven by the notion of vengeance as well.

So, you could very well be right.  Our Blood Mage campaign hero could turn out to be something of a villain as well, gradually consumed within the path of chaos.  This could be Blizzard's way of delivering the whole race into suicide, or at least to a place where they stand as an enemy to all, and therefore are out of the nominees list for the WoW PC roster.

Then again, if Blizzard wanted to do that, they could've just let them all die with the previous Undead invasion of Quel'thalas.  Chocked them all up as dead or Scourge initiates now.

I think what Blizzard is trying to establish with the Blood Elves is that, while they are still a people capable of corruption (as they already were), they have valor in them as well, and a committment to safeguard themselves and the world from the true forces of evil.  This makes them a potentially more passionate force for ideals of justice, sensitive to the wrongdoing behind the machinations of the Scourge and Legion.  They could be a race of vigilantes, and I feel that in particular actually makes for excellent PC materila, in an MMORPG context.

Regardless of WoW, I do think Blizzard is just trying to give their original elf faction a new spin.  They make the lore up as they go along, from game to game.  The High Elves weren't High Elves until WCIII, when they needed to be High to disassociate them with the new Night Elves.  But the Night Elves themselves were a move toward a different image of the elf in general, and so, short of eradicating them (like I mentioned), redefining the High Elves was just another way to keep them kicking in the contemporary vision of the Warcraft world.

And I was so looking forward to making that Troll Rabbi

but before you know it, the neighboring troggs get ahold of some weapons of mass destruction, and then we get some real trouble.  not to mention your gonna have some insane territory conflict.

just dont give the trolls caer darrow. (the island with the runestones in warcraft 2.  the orcs took them and made the altar of storms.)  if you do, the elves will want it for historical reasons, the dwarves will want it for resources, and the humans will want it cuz everyone else does.

notice a real world paralel anyone?

where do the pandarians live anyway?  i thought it was southern kalimdor (thats what the april fools joke said) but on all the maps it says that that area is called desolace.  ive seen a few renditions, and it looks less inviting than northrend.

maybe it just shows that pandas are the supreme race.  they exist in the harshest conditions, yet refuse to fight.  i think all the other races could take a lesson from the pandas, especially the trolls.

i think the biggest panda was upset because no other pandas liked him.  he was exiled for stepping on the pandarean (every time i spell it, i do it different.:no: ) emperor.  they woke up furion and got him to open up the barrow deeps.  he didnt remember cuz he was kinda groggy and wanted to go back to sleep.  in goes the traitor (big panda, his name was Phat Daddy P) 

again, if you didnt read, you didnt miss too much

yes... i feel that the trolls should be a PC race... they've got plenty of units in WC3 and the jungle ones are in good relations with the horde

Sen'Jin said that Thrall would save his people, would be a bit dissapointing if you can't accompish the old departed troll's wish

The thing I don't understand is why the jungle trolls worship the old leader of the forest trolls. (Zul'gin)

But what happens when all of the island trolls serving the Horde die?  What will we use then, DARK trolls?  ICE trolls?  Not on my life.  And why don't the trolls ever run out?  Didn't their home get destroyed? 

How many trolls can they fit on 3 boats?

6x3=18

18 trolls can fit on 3 boats.