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So is axe and night stalker... and clockwerk.

Has anyone made any serious efforts to get good as invoker? its hard to find an opportunity to practice, because I know I'm going to suck with him, and I'm not interested in taking the verbal abuse.

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my buddies are rape with invoker. I suck at him.

clockwerk is absolute rape.

Zues is not overpowered btw. Just stop picking Agi carry heroes and you will laugh when he zaps you.

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Invoker was so easy when he started. Spam meteor and his pets and get oblivion staff X 3

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ATM my favorite heroes are drow and lycan

pudge is also cool although so many people maphack its way too hard to actually get off a successful meathook ambush as is the point of playing pudge

Did I mention I hate the maphackers

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Originally posted by: Legal_My_Deagle
ATM my favorite heroes are drow and lycan

pudge is also cool although so many people maphack its way too hard to actually get off a successful meathook ambush as is the point of playing pudge

Did I mention I hate the maphackers


Not to be critical, but some might say that drow and lycan represent commonly considered newb-friendly heroes. Along with, like, sniper, troll warlord, luna, etc. Imo the fun ones are the ones that often underperform, and finding ways to make them fantastic. Enigma is an example, as is pit lord.. maybe puck.. dark seer.. pugna..

Pudge is very popular, and I agree that a lot of people maphack. Hooking from the woods is only one way of using that skill though, and the good news is that maphacker are usually weak enough players that you often basically just charge in, rot, eat, hook as they try to run, and they're dead. If they run before you get to them then you can try the hook or just enjoy some free farming.

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What is a newb-unfriendly hero?

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I refuse to take your post seriously Killgore until you explain to me in detail just how Pit Lord is an underperforming hero. 

Also I agree with whoever said that almost no hero in Dota is exactly noob-unfriendly, I mean hell every hero except for invoker only involves the use of 4 skills, and sometimes half of those are passive.  The way to be good at DOTA is to know the role of your hero and play that out well with your team...so how exactly would any hero be a "noob-friendly" hero anyway?

I always hear people whine about X hero being noob friendly when it is the hero currently raping them.  Those are the kind of people that later go try to play X hero and suck with him.

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Who cares which heroes are "noob friendly" if the guy playing them is having fun?

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Well, after playing a hell of a lot of public and private matches, those are the names that constantly come up as heroes that are easy to play. I've personally witnessed it happen, too: a player who is usually terrible can take sniper and do more or less just as well as a veteran. That is also the reason why these heroes are chosen much more commonly in -rd and -ap. Clockwerk is in virtually every game, if he is available, because he is known to be overpowered (or, if you are the type of person who likes to insist that all heroes are balanced despite constant balance tweaks, 'easier to play').

I probably should have explained the Pit Lord thing better. Basically, he is pretty much the best farmer in the game and can become more wealthy faster than any other hero, but in the hands of many players, he doesn't end up contributing to combat more than with the occasional pit of malice. He can win a fight, but since all of his skills are targetted aoe, its normally a pretty simple matter to beat him. Knowing what items to get and where to place those skills make the difference.

There are plenty of heroes who are completely 'noob-unfriendly'. You mentioned invoker, he's probably the best case,  just because it's so hard for a bad/new player to do well with him, but in the hands of someone who knows all his abilities by heart along with the codes for each, he is absolutely unbeatable. I am nowhere near that good, myself. I have to stay away with him, because I'm not good enough. When I'm underperforming and my team is angry about it, then I don't have fun.
Other examples would be geomancer, dirge.. witch doctor (maybe... actually probably not), warlock.. and the ones I mentioned before. Very powerful in the hands of a good player, very very weak in the hands of a bad player. That's what I mean when I say noob-unfriendly.

It sounds like you guys are starting to bristle up a bit, so relax please. I'm not trying to accuse anyone of anything. It's perfectly fine if you like drow and lycan as your favorites, for whatever reason. I just wanted to point out that in case the reason why you like them is because you're good with them, which is very very often the case when people pick favorites, then you should know that it's a bit like a kid saying that Mewtwo is his favorite pokemon just because it is the most powerful and he can beat everyone with it. Or whatever the most powerful pokemon is this days, I dont know. No points for creativity or originality. Meanwhile, if you say that someone like Jakiro is your favorite hero, then its clear that even though the guy might not always do the best, he still likes the playstyle, or maybe he has a particularly awesome combo for him, or maybe he just thinks two headed dragons are cool. Either way, lots of points for creativity and originality.

TL;DR: Lol, every1 picks lycan n drow tehy are like the easiest to pwn with lmao!

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I kinda agree with killgore hear actually, when I saw your post saying lycan and drow are your favorites, I just though "rightclick to victory" to myself. 

My favorite heroes are alchemist and earthshaker =[

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Anyone want to play a game with me? I haven't played in a year or so. Send me a forums PM or catch me on AIM smile.

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if we could get a inhouse game going I'd be down, but I'm not very good anymore.

Re: D.O.T.A. is so different now... =(

Originally posted by: Killgore9998
Seriously, please don't start getting defensive and antagonistic as if I was trying to make accusations or put someone down. I'm just trying to have a conversation here, and I pointed out an observation which I believe to be objectively true, without bias. Nothing against LMD. I have no bad intentions here. Please do not get angry. I did not intend to offend anyone. Please try to relax and use your indoor voice if you want to disagree with me. Everythig is alright. I have no personal vendetta here and I do not think that I am better than anyone in fact I am probably worse. NOTE: THE WRITER OF THIS POST DOES NOT WISH TO HAVE A FLAMEWAR. HE IS MERELY TRYING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION NORMALLY. THANK YOU.

Are you being sarcastic and trying to insult my nonexistent opinion in all this now?

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Originally posted by: Killgore9998
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HE IS MERELY TRYING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION NORMALLY. THANK YOU.

Thats not very normal. Also, I don't think any newb with your definition of a newb friendly hero would do well either. I just think catagorizing the heroes is a futile effort, its more about the player's skill and his or her ability to work well with the team. Unless you are ARRRRtarded, you'd generally be bad at heroes you have never touched before but generally get better over time as you learn to buy specific items or use hero specific strategies.

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Okay, fuck you arguing dudes.

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Originally posted by: Pissingintowind
Okay, fuck you arguing dudes.

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I love playing prophet becase he's the got to be one of the most worthless heroes in the game other then keeper of the light.

I tree you, then.... AUTOATTACK WITH AN INT HERO!!


(team fight situation) I tree you, then.... trees bug out and my melee hero can't hit you anymore so I....  AUTOATTACK WITH MY INT HERO!

Basically I go all game farming with him getting a deso or skadi and teleport to any team fights or ganks in the process. But damn... do my friend's hate when I play him. LOL

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Originally posted by: JimBDown
I love playing prophet becase he's the got to be one of the most worthless heroes in the game other then keeper of the light.

I tree you, then.... AUTOATTACK WITH AN INT HERO!!


(team fight situation) I tree you, then.... trees bug out and my melee hero can't hit you anymore so I....  AUTOATTACK WITH MY INT HERO!

Basically I go all game farming with him getting a deso or skadi and teleport to any team fights or ganks in the process. But damn... do my friend's hate when I play him. LOL


Yeah, I think that he's supposed to be built around the idea that you can create trees and then turn them into treants while keeping the enemy hero trapped.. problem is that it doesnt work sad

BOUNCING BEAM THING THAT DOES VERY LITTLE DAMAGE GO

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aaaand azeroth appears to be down as of 6:45.

Been working perfectly for months. lol that it fails now that pissing wants to play.

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It ended up being a pretty good time. We played a couple inhouse matches with my clan. Pissing got owned a few times by the skills of heroes he had never seen before. I got owned by Pissing's simultaneous soul keeper ult/dagon combo.

Honestly, Dota is the only game I really have fun with these days, besides WoW, which I banned myself from. More of you guys should play =O

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DOTA is quite boring. After the first 10 minutes it becomes a borefest.

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What would you recommend? I have a Wii and a PS2 and an Xbox (not 360). I don't play MMOs because of the time commitment and subscription, and the fact that you can't pause them in case something immediate requires attention. I am 99% of the time playing by myself (no family or friends nearby who play games) or online with strangers.

I bought and played through the good single-player wii games. I have played through all my xbox games and ps2 games, my library of which includes most of the best ones, I think.

I have a steam account, and own the orange box. I played through the halflife series and portal and sometimes play team fortress 2, but DOTA is more fun and interesting to me. Plus i'm better at it.

I keep as up to date on gaming news as I can, but I haven't seen anything from the past year or two which is as consistently repayable and interesting as Dota.

That's just me trying to defend myself =P Obviously I'm not playing boring games on purpose. I honestly am interested to know what you would recommend.

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All the games you listed are boring.

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JimBDown wrote:

I love playing prophet becase he's the got to be one of the most worthless heroes in the game other then keeper of the light.

I tree you, then.... AUTOATTACK WITH AN INT HERO!!


(team fight situation) I tree you, then.... trees bug out and my melee hero can't hit you anymore so I....  AUTOATTACK WITH MY INT HERO!

Basically I go all game farming with him getting a deso or skadi and teleport to any team fights or ganks in the process. But damn... do my friend's hate when I play him. LOL

Dude, Elfhelm and I used to own with that hero. Unless he got seriously nerfed, I mean.. teleport is awesome. You just had to get the right damage items. I think we got some of the +int ones right away, then made an MKB and started rocking people. Plus, you could just OH SHIT back to the fountain. Saving time/not dying is a key to getting more money, and surviving. Plus you can pick off kills with the bouncing beam.. the key is to attack a pack of creeps with it, so it bounces and does more damage when it starts bouncing to heroes. It was so funny when they thought they got away then.. zap! from across the map. It's a zeus button that requires timing and a bit of luck =]

Man. I wish I could find my FT key now...

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Weaver wrote:

All the games you listed are boring.

So name one that isn't!

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