Topic: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

Is anyone out there still using IE 6, against their will, without ability to upgrade?
Similar; Is anyone forced to use 800x600?

Working on new stuff for the site, and would like nothing more than to just drop support for IE 6 going forward, and assume 1024x768 or higher (will still scale below that, but might not look entirely ideal).
The stats agree, so unless anyone here can give us good reasons not to, we will go ahead with this for new stuff.

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Re: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

Yeah baby yeah! IE6 going down, wooo!

Am I understanding correctly that the stats say that noone uses IE 6 anymore?

And what are you guys planning, new spiffy alpha transparency skins?

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Re: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

Using some alpha in one of the upcoming themes yeah, but it's for smaller stuff like gradiants, which are much easier to do with alpha, since you'll only need one background image and such. The main reason to drop IE6 like it's hot is the pain in using css pervasively and making it render correctly on modern browsers (anything but ie6, basically) as well as ie6.

As for the stats: 2.26% use 800x600, 9.75% use IE6. None of our actual users seem to be using IE6 however, and the rest can upgrade if they want to visit the site going forward. We will still keep this theme IE6 compatible however.

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I weep for anyone still using 800x600 on their desktop.

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I use IE 6... >_>

Thought for the day:

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Re: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

Upgrade to IE7. =P

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I so wish I could send out memos like this at my job..

I once got screamed at for about an hour and a half because I forgot to do one little test of my web app using IE, and a stupid random tiny piece of javascript didn't run correctly. Instead of greying out the submit button and submitting the form, it just greyed out the button. Thanks Mr. Gates!

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Originally posted by: Killgore9998
I so wish I could send out memos like this at my job..

I once got screamed at for about an hour and a half because I forgot to do one little test of my web app using IE, and a stupid random tiny piece of javascript didn't run correctly. Instead of greying out the submit button and submitting the form, it just greyed out the button. Thanks Mr. Gates!

  It depends on your target market.  Worldwide, more people use IE6 than IE7.   If I were making amazon.com, it'd be inexcusable to drop IE6 support or not support 800x600.  But on BlizzPub, it's a much smaller percentage, since we target gamers, who tend to use higher resolutions, faster PC's, and keep their PC's more up to date.

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Originally posted by: Killgore9998
I so wish I could send out memos like this at my job..

I once got screamed at for about an hour and a half because I forgot to do one little test of my web app using IE, and a stupid random tiny piece of javascript didn't run correctly. Instead of greying out the submit button and submitting the form, it just greyed out the button. Thanks Mr. Gates!

Even though screaming for an hour and a half is an obvious exaggeration, you probably should think about doing something else... Blaming your mistakes on others <Mr. Gates> and/or attempting to trivialize them <little test, stupid random tiny piece> are serious signs you won't like it in the corporate world.

It's really simple - if you didn't properly test your code and it doesn't run, a user can't do their job... period. Who, what , why, when? Excuses that in the end just make you look incompetent. I don't know - maybe you're not looking to develop code as a future... either way the excuse advice still stands.

My company's standard browser - IE 6. That is very typical of most companies...

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I sent a U2U to wc3kid about his condescending attitude and misguided assumptions displayed in his post, urging him to abandon them, instead of posting it here. I'm going to ignore the post because those assumptions apparently led him to paint some bizarre portrait of my corporate experience and abilities which is in no way reflective of reality.

Crast, yeah believe me, I'm more than familiar with the need for IE compliance, and I was already clear on why Blizzpub can do this, given the small userbase of people with unusually high technical competency. My post still holds true - I yern for the ability to tell all of my users to go fuck themselves and get Firefox instead of IE, knowing that it will never happen. The only thing less encouraging than the grip of IE on the general populace is the administration's fierce defense of it as a browsing standard here at Columbia.

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To be fair, wc3kid had a valid point based on the attitude portrayed in your own post. If testing tiny details is part of your job, then it's perfectly reasonable for your superiors to expect tiny details to work. I understand the point you were getting at, but don't think that he was out of line or going out on wild assumptions.

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Especially in the world of programming where 'random tiny' pieces of code are usually the most important and/or destructive if they are wrong.

This is why I hate writing code.

Re: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

The "tiny piece" was not a critical component at all, but rather a single button on a single page somewhere in the corner of the web application which very few users have any need for. And this wasn't even in the live distribution, this was in the test instance, before it had finished going through QA.

Obviously, in a perfect world, all details will work. However, its unreasonable to weigh a minor detail as heavily as the main, critical pieces. Its also unreasonable to expect that it will be free of errors before going into QA. For a page that existed somewhere in the corner in the application and was rarely accessed to have a bug of this insignificance, which was caught during testing, is a minor thing, and no it is not perfectly reasonable for my superiors to expect that something will already have no minor errors in it when it gets to testing.

Please consider giving me at least an inch of the benefit of the doubt rather than interpreting my story about a tiny mistake being about something which was actually huge and important. That's the very definition of a wild assumption. Why are you all so eager to make that assumption and then defend each other on it? Do you even understand what a "minor" error is? This bug took less than 10 seconds to fix and affected no users. Where is the logic in assuming that I have no corporate experience and that I am ignorant about IE compliance testing that comes out of that fact?

My job is not to test the application, its to develop it, though of course I do my own testing. Testing exists to catch errors, which in this case it did. How is that not an example of me not doing my job? Seriously, people, I dont see why you have to take me as an idiot. I make one innocent lighthearted post and everyone jumps on my case. WTF

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My biggest question is why you take everything as a personal attack against your very soul.  Calm down dude, lighten up.

Re: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

Originally posted by: Aeryx
My biggest question is why you take everything as a personal attack against your very soul.  Calm down dude, lighten up.


You don't think that wc3kid calling me incompetent, inexperienced, and unwilling to take the blame for something is a personal attack?

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Oh Columbia... their "fierce defense of IE as a browsing standard" is right up there with decisions like hosting a chat with Iran's dictat*er* President. Seems you fit right in with a bunch of people who coddle/giggle at known terrorists and then go for huge sensationalism on tiny things.

The Pub administration made this announcement as a courtesy - nobody here really needs to use the forums. So my post stands as a reply to you and your reference to your job... A place that, according to you, depends on IT systems to conduct business. Yet, when it comes down to the real key part of your job - TEST/QA, you admittedly dropped the ball. So instead of owning up to it, you deflect. Don't worry, it's common everywhere in the corporate world so you're not alone by any stretch. Just trying to save you some grief down the road by thinking about doing something else now... whatever, though. Take it all personally and get into a lather about it. It's cool.

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He might have jumped the gun on the assumption of all the details, but I don't think he was attacking you.  He was merely pointing out that in the corporate world, small mistakes are a big deal, especially in programming.  To me it read more like advice rather than a personal insult.

Re: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

I admit that I made a mistake, but it was only a mistake because IE is poorly designed. I guess you didn't know that?

Now its just hilarious. You didn't read anything since your post. I'm a developer, not a tester. I do my own testing, yes, and this bug was caught by the QA team long before launch. You're saying you never ever made a single error during your entire career? Even on tiny stuff? Laughable. I understand now that this is all just a big joke. Awesome, it was really funny. BTW good job on never making a single mistake on any tiny thing ever, wc3kid, you apparently are perfect in every way.

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You're missing his point.  He never said anything about never making mistakes, now you're the one making wild assumptions.

Re: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

Originally posted by: Aeryx
You're missing his point.  He never said anything about never making mistakes, now you're the one making wild assumptions.


Wrong. You can read, right?

Originally posted by: wc3kid
Yet, when it comes down to the real key part of your job - TEST/QA, you admittedly dropped the ball.


There you go.


Small errors in code, especially ones that occur from compatibility differences, especially when the compatibility in question is retardedly designed, is hardly "my" mistake any more than it is the failure of a poorly designed product. However, I did own up to it, in fact, if you recall, I TOLD THE STORY ABOUT HOW I MADE A MISTAKE. Pretty hard to do that without admitting that I was the one that made the mistake, don't you think? I didn't deflect, and I can hardly be blamed for what I did. To call what I did "dropping the ball" then you must have never made any kind of similar mistake yourself.


There's a pretty obvious line between "giving advice" and insulting someone with condescension. I guess if I told some of you people that I think it would be a good idea to "grow some eyes" and "stop being retarded" that it would just be me giving you friendly advice, and wouldn't count as an insult at all, right?

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Blaming your mistakes on others <Mr. Gates> and/or attempting to trivialize them <little test, stupid random tiny piece>


So instead of owning up to it, you deflect

There is his point.  I think you are the one having a hard time reading, my friend.

Either way, I'm done with this argument because it is completely retarded.

Re: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

Originally posted by: Aeryx
There is his point.  I think you are the one having a hard time reading, my friend.

I've mentioned in almost every post, including the FIRST POST I made before any of this started, that I did make a mistake. How am I not owning up to it?

Here, for the idiots out there:

I made the mistake.
I made the mistake.
I made the mistake.

Happy? I just did it 3 times. Maybe I should do it some more? I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. I made the mistake.

Its only a mistake because its a compatibility problem with a poorly designed system. To call that dropping the ball is to say that you never made a mistake of your own.

Either way, I'm done with this argument because it is completely retarded.

You're damn right that it's retarded. I dont know why people feel like they have to give me "advice" thinly disguised as hate every time I make any kind of innocuous post here.

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Originally posted by: Killgore9998
I admit that I made a mistake, but it was only a mistake because IE is poorly designed. I guess you didn't know that?

You're deflecting again! Your job was to make it work and it didn't, how can it be any simpler?

Now its just hilarious. You didn't read anything since your post. I'm a developer, not a tester. I do my own testing, yes, and this bug was caught by the QA team long before launch. You're saying you never ever made a single error during your entire career? Even on tiny stuff? Laughable. I understand now that this is all just a big joke. Awesome, it was really funny. BTW good job on never making a single mistake on any tiny thing ever, wc3kid, you apparently are perfect in every way.

Having QA done by developers is a very poor best practice, but it's reality in small shops due to resource constraints. So wait, things seemed to change. This was caught in QA? OK, let me see if I got this straight... you screamed at for an hour and a half for a small error caught in QA? I'm thoroughly confused...

As for me... looooong list of mistakes. In fact I used to deflect, too. But, I learned quite a while ago that it may make you feel better in the short term to deflect why you made the mistake, it's just bad long term. As for details about my mistakes - I admitted to this in the past and you must have missed it. I did a "rm -r *" in the app root directory instead of in the \logs directory as I intended. This was a PROD box that was being used by 100+ employees. Everyone sat around as I recovered from tape with my boss standing over my shoulder. He wasn't happy.

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Re: 800x600 and IE 6 users on blizzpub?

at home i dont use ie or 800x600...

however at work, all i have is ie 7, and all the comps are locked out so i cant get firefox. well i can, but it would be noticed...

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