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Topic: another new computer thread

So, my laptop is starting to act a little weird, and I think either the fan or the hard drives motor sounds like it's about to die. Either way, I've been thinking about a new computer, and I decided I'd try building my own this time around. However, I haven't looked into new hardware in 8ish years, so I have no clue whatsoever what's the good equipment for a decent price.

So, I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions. The only thing I do know is that I'm looking to spend about 1k, and I prefer AMD and ATI to Intel and Nvidia. I also don't need huge amounts of hdd space because I have a 500 gb external.

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I don't have time to go look up a full build right now, but some thoughts:

Originally posted by: Big O
and I prefer AMD and ATI to Intel and Nvidia.

  AMD still has great CPU's for the money, so there's nothing wrong with that, though Intel still has the edge most of the time nowadays.

You'd be better off abandoning your loyalty to ATI for now, and sticking with NVIDIA for graphics though.  It'll be a while before ATI/AMD release their new integrated CPU/GPU's, and we have no idea what they'll be like.  Currently though, Nvidia has the upper hand.

I also don't need huge amounts of hdd space because I have a 500 gb external.

  You may not need the space, but if you plan on gaming, a fast HD helps a lot.  And currently, 500gb internal drives are both economical (best price per GB of any drive size) and rather fast (can achieve transfers comparable to and even faster than Raptors), due to the data density.    So unless you already have a recent very fast HD, you might want to consider a 500gb 16mb cache 7200rpm drive.   At $100-ish, it's pretty hard to go wrong.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148288  $100 for a 32mb cache, and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145137   $90 for a 16mb cache

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I'd have to agree with Crast on everything.  Just wanted to throw out that 2nd opinion for you.
And on that note, I'm most disappointed with my current Radeon Card (x1950), and will be looking into Nivida for my next card.

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Beware of 7200.11 32MB drives. Benchmarks have shown that their performance is lagging behind Seagate's last generation HDDs (at least the ones from a while ago). I'm not completely up-to-date with the current models, but I'd think twice.

And AMD still offers the cheapest solution for mobo + CPU. If you want to OC, however, I'd not hesitate to spend a bit more and go with a new Intel. As for graphics, the 9600GT has proven to be the king in performance/price now. You can also find some factory OCed ones that trump stock 8800GTs in many benchmarks.

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Re: another new computer thread

Errrrrrr is correct. Seagate is slowly going down the shitter since their acquisition of Maxtor. Samsung and WD are both making nice drives.

Get an Intel processor, Nvidia 9600GT, P35 or other Intel chipset motherboard, along with whatever RAM is < $50 for 2x1GB on slickdeals. Corsair and Antec make very good modular PSUs, and Antec, Silverstone, and Lian Li make good cases. For the PSU, keep in mind wattage is not that important, but quality of brand and amperage is key. Also, make sure to get SATA optical drives and hard drives, since IDE is gay.

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Here be my recommendations:
$126.99 - Asus P5K motherboard (P35 chipset)
$189.99 - Intel Core 2 Duo E6750   OR  $269.99 - Intel Core 2 Duo E6850
$44 - ($22 x 2) PQI 1gb ddr2-800 (CL4)  (note, for a few bucks more, you might want to buy ddr2-1066, it may stand up to overclocking better, though the the reviews say this ram overclocks well)
$99.00 - Samsung HD501LJ
$24 - Lite-On 20X DVD burner
$159 ($139 after rebate) - Asus 9600GT 512mb, 720mhz
$119 ($89 after rebate) - Antec Sonata III (While this does not have a modular power supply, the sheer value is astounding, especially after the rebate.  An excellent case and an excellent PS, for the price of what just a good case would cost you.)

Total: $761 (E6750), $841 (E6850).


I just built basically the exact system above (CPU, motherboard, hard drive, case/PS, only differing on the video card) a month ago and it's rockin.

Both configurations very nicely below your $1000 target, and a very good setup for overclocking.   If you want quieter / cooler, you might want to slap a big copper CPU fan on there like a zalman, which will run you $50-ish.   Also, you have room to upgrade your video card, even fit a 9800GTX within your budget if it fancies you.

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Yikes, why would you recommend that stuff?

My picks (I essentially looked for good prices and better performance, choices explained in parenthesis):

$203.80 - Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (faster and cheaper AND uses the new Penryn architecture)
$88.90 - Gigabyte DS3L (not overpriced, better for overclocking, don't have to deal with shit ASUS support)
$19.99 - Crucial Ballistix 2x1GB (Crucial makes the best RAM in the industry, and is cheaper)
$71.50 - Western Digital 320GB HDD (only one platter with high density, so highest speed possible at the moment for a 7200RPM drive)
$109.99 - PNY 9600GT 512MB (cheaper, again, avoiding shit ASUS support, you can overclock yourself)
$89.95 - Antec Sonata III (agreed with Crasty)
$33.99 - Samsung SH-S203N (best burner out right now, Samsung > Lite-On which is rebadged Sony... ick)

Total = $618.12

edit: I see your budget is $1000, if you really want to spend more money, get a modular power supply and a nicer case. Or, pay up extra and get the EVGA model of the 9600GT since they have the best support and build quality of video cards. There is no point in getting the 9800GTX since it is a bastard child of a two glued-together 8800GTs.

For instance, I'd ask someone with a $20 off of $75 buy.com coupon to get this PSU for you:

$79.99 - Corsair 520W modular PSU (modular cabling, one of the best PSUs available)

Here is the EVGA card (slightly overclocked):

$149.99 - EVGA 9600GT SuperClocked (slightly faster, much better support, warranty, etc.)

A Lian Li case will run anywhere from $100-300. Just find one you like, they are all great quality.

Almost forgot, optional coolers to silence and... cool:

$25.98 - Arctic Cooling Accelero S2 (fits your card, is the best passive video card cooler ever, outperforming most active ones)
$57.58 - Tuniq Tower (awesome cooler, so quiet it might as well be passive, but it is fucking large)

Make sure the coolers fit in the case you choose! Good luck.

Without a specific case, and with all the upgrades I suggested, you'd be sitting at $731.72 with a setup that would easily hit over 4GHz overclocking, and also insane amounts on the video card. This leaves you plenty of cash for an amazing case.

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I have to recommend this case: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15900

The Antec Gamer Case 900. I use it with the power supple pissing suggested and it is amazing. All the fans have variable speeds and I usually run them all on low and the case is still cool to the touch even at the cpu. It is quieter than a normal room fan on low.

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Originally posted by: Pissingintowind
There is no point in getting the 9800GTX since it is a bastard child of a two glued-together 8800GTs.

You're talking about 9800GX2, Crast was talking about 9800GTX, which is a higher clock speed G94 based single GPU card. And the 9800GTX isn't worth buying either, at least not the stock speed ones. If you must, spend even more on a superclocked version, but then unless you get a super big screen monitor you won't benefit much from it.

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To further prove my lack of knowledge, why is a modular PSU better then one that comes with the case (other than it's just a better quality device). Also, I'm never going to get around to overclocking my computer, I save the after market mods to my car and phone.

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After talking to pissing on AIM, I must say all his choices are better than mine.  Not that mine were bad, just that his were better for the money.

Originally posted by: Big O
To further prove my lack of knowledge, why is a modular PSU better then one that comes with the case (other than it's just a better quality device). Also, I'm never going to get around to overclocking my computer, I save the after market mods to my car and phone.

  It makes cable management much easier, thus leading to a much cleaner case.  Usually on most system builds you'll end up with tons of cables which are either unused  because you don't have that many devices, or simply are there to support other types of motherboards, devices, and fan connectors which you don't have, and you end up stuffing them into somewhere in your case.   With a modular PSU, you could unplug them, stow them for if you ever needed to add devices.  This makes the inside of the computer a lot neater, makes for better airflow, and reduces dust build-up as there aren't pockets of tangled cables collecting dust.

That said, the sonata is just such a great value, as you'd spend minimum $200-ish to buy a modular PSU and a good quality case, and the sonata is half that.  If you've got the money to spare though, you can get a really swanky case and buy a modular PSU as well.

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Originally posted by: Errrrrrr

Originally posted by: Pissingintowind
There is no point in getting the 9800GTX since it is a bastard child of a two glued-together 8800GTs.

You're talking about 9800GX2, Crast was talking about 9800GTX, which is a higher clock speed G94 based single GPU card. And the 9800GTX isn't worth buying either, at least not the stock speed ones. If you must, spend even more on a superclocked version, but then unless you get a super big screen monitor you won't benefit much from it.

Right, I forgot to mention that I'm illiterate.

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Originally posted by: Crast
After talking to pissing on AIM, I must say all his choices are better than mine.  Not that mine were bad, just that his were better for the money.

my philosophy on computer building: just run it through pissing

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