Topic: HIV and stuff

IF you had HIV, would you still have sex with other people? Considering a condom, being a male, etc..

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a) how is this MD

b) no because that would be basically be murder

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Originally posted by: Legal_My_Deagle
a) how is this MD

b) no because that would be basically be murder


I don't know about murder, but you most definitely can get convicted for attempted murder for doing this.
I agree with a) too.

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Despite the fear that still surrounds AIDS, it's no longer the grim reaper of STDs - as long as it's diagnosed in time, medicine can now keep it in check. It does consign the person to a lifetime of taking various drugs with various side effects, but it's not a death sentence. In developed countries, of course...

If someone with AIDS wants to have a sexual partner, I think it goes without saying that he/she should tell said partner beforehand. Be honest and take it from there.

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If I was the type of person that would be careless enough to contract aids in the first place, then I would probably be careless enough to spread it as well.

But I'm not. So I wouldn't.

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Find someone else who has aids.  It could be a bonding experience.

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Originally posted by: Killgore9998
If I was the type of person that would be careless enough to contract aids in the first place, then I would probably be careless enough to spread it as well.

But I'm not. So I wouldn't.

That type of action is punishable by law. I'm pretty sure they tell you that in your results letter or at the clinic after you're tested positive.

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Just for your information, the HIV virus does not only spread from males to female. If a female partner has the HIV virus, her male partner will also contract the virus. The virus spreads via bodily fluids but it is not only bound to male bodily fluids (semen being the obvious carrier)

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I've also read somewhere probably just a rumor but males give HIV to females at a WAY higher pecentage then women giving it to males.

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Originally posted by: JimBDown
I've also read somewhere probably just a rumor but males give HIV to females at a WAY higher pecentage then women giving it to males.


4 times higher, and it's not a rumour, and it's pretty bloody obvious...

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Originally posted by: Taknarosh

Originally posted by: Killgore9998
If I was the type of person that would be careless enough to contract aids in the first place, then I would probably be careless enough to spread it as well.

But I'm not. So I wouldn't.

That type of action is punishable by law. I'm pretty sure they tell you that in your results letter or at the clinic after you're tested positive.

And the action of having sex with a partner you don't really know without a condom is potentially punishable by contracting aids. But clearly that didn't stop me. Why would the threat of jail be more of a deterrent than a life threatening disease?

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Originally posted by: Killgore9998


And the action of having sex with a partner you don't really know without a condom

I'm pretty sure you probably don't know as much about the people you think you know as you think you do. smile  If that makes sense. 

everyone has their little closet secrets that they don't tell everyone...

Still, I see what you're getting at.  (If they care about you enough that you'd be having sex with them, they'd tell you about HIV if they're a decent person.)

It's just, not everyone views sex in the same light as we do tongue

...you're not one of those people who thinks AIDS is a punishment sent by God, are you?

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Originally posted by: LiQuiDcHeEsE
...you're not one of those people who thinks AIDS is a punishment sent by God, are you?

Yes, he is.

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No, I'm not. I do think it is a punishment sent by Darwin for being stupid and/or intentionally malicious.

It really doesn't matter if I see the action of having sex in the same light as someone else, because it's a pretty clear cut explanation. If you have unprotected sex with someone who has aids, then you are clearly too careless to take the necessary steps to ensure your health. If you're too careless to take care of yourself, you're not going to have the ability to care for anyone else's health either.

I'm disappointed that you decided to call religion into my position, though. So if you think that unprotected sex with anonymous partners is a bad idea, suddenly you become a bible toting god freak?

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Originally posted by: Killgore9998
No, I'm not. I do think it is a punishment sent by Darwin for being stupid and/or intentionally malicious.

That's the stupidest thing I've read from you this [strike]week[/strike] hour.

First of all, Darwin didn't send any "punishment", nor is he capable of doing it at all. He was a mere observer, and had nothing to do with how nature functions on its own. You'd made more sense if you said "it's nature's punishment on the species from the evolutionary point of view". But then again, even that doesn't make any sense. Evolution does not "punish" or "reward", it's simply a mechanism. It is as mechanic as turning a valve and letting water through. Attaching ethical concepts like "punishment" and "reward" to the theory of evolution is about as naive and intellectually deprived as teaching "intelligent design" in schools. Furthermore, I'm not sure if your intended argument actually works at all, even if it's a valid argument. The species that flourish are usually species that reproduce well, and they do so by reproducing frequently and rather promiscuously. To cast judgment on how a species should benefit from "safe sex" in the natural environment is simply bigotry and arrogance towards nature.

It is not at all surprising that people suspect your religious belief affecting your view on this matter, because it is after all one of the biggest influences Christian religion has on our society. Equating "having unprotected sex" to "deserving getting AIDS" is a fundamental cultural war tactic conservatives use and it's the mindset that they want to implant into the young people. Throughout this thread, that seems to be your consistent view, and people are totally justified in their perception of you.

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Originally posted by: Errrrrrr

Originally posted by: Killgore9998
No, I'm not. I do think it is a punishment sent by Darwin for being stupid and/or intentionally malicious.

That's the stupidest thing I've read from you this [strike]week[/strike] hour.

First of all, Darwin didn't send any "punishment", nor is he capable of doing it at all. He was a mere observer, and had nothing to do with how nature functions on its own. You'd made more sense if you said "it's nature's punishment on the species from the evolutionary point of view". But then again, even that doesn't make any sense. Evolution does not "punish" or "reward", it's simply a mechanism. It is as mechanic as turning a valve and letting water through. Attaching ethical concepts like "punishment" and "reward" to the theory of evolution is about as naive and intellectually deprived as teaching "intelligent design" in schools. Furthermore, I'm not sure if your intended argument actually works at all, even if it's a valid argument. The species that flourish are usually species that reproduce well, and they do so by reproducing frequently and rather promiscuously. To cast judgment on how a species should benefit from "safe sex" in the natural environment is simply bigotry and arrogance towards nature.

It is not at all surprising that people suspect your religious belief affecting your view on this matter, because it is after all one of the biggest influences Christian religion has on our society. Equating "having unprotected sex" to "deserving getting AIDS" is a fundamental cultural war tactic conservatives use and it's the mindset that they want to implant into the young people. Throughout this thread, that seems to be your consistent view, and people are totally justified in their perception of you.

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Originally posted by: Killgore9998
If you're too careless to take care of yourself, you're not going to have the ability to care for anyone else's health either.


Do you actually believe this crap or are you just trolling...?

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Originally posted by: Sir~Magis~Returns

Originally posted by: Killgore9998
If you're too careless to take care of yourself, you're not going to have the ability to care for anyone else's health either.


Do you actually believe this crap or are you just trolling...?

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It's a pretty simple concept.

If you make mistakes like contracting aids, you're likely to make a similar type of mistake in the future. A person who is likely to make mistakes is a person who is likely to make mistakes. It doesn't get more simple or obviously true than that. Maybe you are better at taking care of others than you are at taking care of yourself, but the fact is that you made a mistake from being careless. A person like that HAS to come to terms with the fact that he might make a mistake like that again.

Please save the trolling accusations for those who actually deserve them.

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Eh, sometimes people learn from mistakes - especially mistakes of such a monumental nature as contracting HIV. Things happen and people screw up. It doesn't necessarily mean that they can never be trusted to make decent decisions in the future.

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I don't disagree that sometimes people learn from their mistakes. Especially when the person really is normally smart and careful, and something happened that was just out of their control.

Unfortunately, I think that sort of situation represents the vast minority.

Consider the places in the world where spreading AIDS is a real problem. Africa, for example. Even if you're fortunate enough to be educated about what AIDS is, chances are you're not going to make the effort to use protection, it's just not worth worrying about it when you have so many other immediate problems.



But even if you are certain that you are able to learn from your mistake, a responsible person must take steps not to even give himself the opportunity to make the mistake again. That is why an alcoholic has to become a teetotaler. He can't trust himself not to make the mistake of going overboard after having 'just one drink', even though he learned from his mistake.

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Everybody makes mistakes.

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Everybody makes mistakes like spilling milk or calculating the tip wrong. Not everyone makes mistakes like having sex with anonymous partners and contracting a potentially fatal STD.

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Originally posted by: Killgore9998 Not everyone makes mistakes like having sex with anonymous partners

a lot of perfectly normal people do make that mistake, actually, especially when they're young.

If you looked at a lot of the born again clergy today, in fact, you'd find that a lot of them had sex before marriage (perhaps before they were a christian, maybe, but still.)  And a lot of them had sex with random partners.

Look at many of the saints and you'll find the same thing.

David, in the bible, a supposedly great man, well his big sin was having sex with a naked woman he saw across the street whom he barely knew.   I believe it was Augustine who talked about how when he was young he gave in to the sins of the flesh that come along with youth.

So um... Some of the most religious people in history have done it... And that was before we had any sort of birth control... Sooooo....

yes.  normal people DO make stupid mistakes.  STD's are not a genetic fault of the morally weak hmm

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in fact, just to make the argument more interesting....

say you only have sex with one person: your girlfriend whom you've had for 3 years.  You know she made some stupid mistakes in her past (don't tell me you've never loved anyone who made a mistake cause I know better)  but she's wisened up.

Then it turns out she has HIV, from one of those stupid mistakes, and she just recently found out.  Now, you have HIV as well, cause you've been having sex with her for the past 2 years of the 3 years you've been together.

Woops!  ...now you didn't even really make a mistake and you've got HIV.

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