Topic: WTB very lightweight laptop (used or just a good deal)

Looking for a laptop.

Must come with XP installed or discs/serial number for a clean install.

I don't need tons of ram or hard disk space. Though if it has 2 GB of RAM or less, then I would ask if it has room for upgrades.
I don't need any optical drives beyond a simple CDRW
I don't need an uber CPU or graphics capabilities
I don't care about size or weight, though small and light would be nice
The larger screen the better, but I don't need anything huge.

Cheapest thing that matches these specs that I can find on NewEgg is $800, which is already a good bit more than I want to spend. Craigslist has good deals but those people are nuts and unreliable.

Tiger direct has a lot of good options, which I'm sorting through right now. But I figured maybe one of you guys had a friend who was looking to sell, or were yourself looking to sell, or knew of some kind of insane online deal, it might be worth it to ask.

Thanks

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http://www.amazon.com/Acer-8-9-inch-Net … 001EYV9TM/

1gb ram, upgradeable only to 1.5 I think.  160gb drive, XP included, $379.  Two builtin card readers if you need more space.   Ridiculously light at slightly over 2lbs and 5+ hrs battery life.   $379 with free shipping.  Anything else?

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Re: WTB very lightweight laptop (used or just a good deal)

Crast wrote:

Anything else?

One that comes with a dock or has a dock sold seperately? ^^
And matte instead of glossy for the screen =[

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Killgore9998 wrote:

One that comes with a dock or has a dock sold seperately? ^^

You're probably not going to find that in a netbook, docks are generally made for business laptops.  My eee 701 has no port anywhere on the laptop where a dock would connect either.  It has a fair selection of ports; I don't see what a dock would do that a USB hub and a VGA cable wouldn't.  I'd stick with a $10 USB hub and a VGA cable rather than a $200 dock.   I've seen USB "docking station" things:  http://www.targus.com/us/product_detail … ku=ACP50US   but honestly if I recall it has a horrid maximum resolution like 1024x768 due to the limitations on sending video over USB, and all you gain is one less wire to plug in.

Alternately buy an older dell or IBM/lenovo with a dock from some business that's getting rid of old leased ones, but expect it to be 3-4 years old and mediocre specced, rather than a modern laptop with a modern CPU.

And matte instead of glossy for the screen =[

  The asus eee 1000 has a matte screen and it's slightly bigger at 10.2 inches.  I believe the MSI wind is matte too, also 10.2 inch screen.  Both cost about $100 more though with no spec bump other than the screens.   The acer is just an awesome value for what you get spec-wise though.   Whatever you choose, make sure you get the 6 cell battery version, the 3 cell battery will only give you about 2.5 hours of juice.

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I need the dock because my goal is to replace or at least supplement the computer that I use at work with it, and it would be ideal to be able to slide it into a dock which is permanently connected to the monitors rather than always having to disconnect and reconnect cables when I arrive or go home. But I see what you're saying. There are a lot of ways to go and its tough to figure out what would be best. It sounds like you strongly endorse this Acer thing, which is great. I just hadn't heard of Acer before, so I have to admit I was and maybe still am a bit skeptical.

Edit: Also, it doesn't have a built in optical drive, which would make an external one just about mandatory, wouldn't it? Does it even come with the OS install disks?

Edit2: The 8.9” screen and the standard 1024x600 resolution give me pause for concern as well.

Edit3: One review I read said that if you use the VGA port to hook up an external monitor, it isn't capable of displaying anything other than 1024x600 resolution on that external monitor. Sorta a deal breaker.

Last edited by Killgore9998 (2008-12-11 01:04)

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i have a MSI Wind and <3 it!

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Killgore9998 wrote:

I need the dock because my goal is to replace or at least supplement the computer that I use at work with it, and it would be ideal to be able to slide it into a dock which is permanently connected to the monitors rather than always having to disconnect and reconnect cables when I arrive or go home. But I see what you're saying.

  Well a bit of history.   In late '07 Asus decided to make a low cost lightweight laptop, sort of on the vein of OLPC in specs but look reasonable for people to use, not just kids.  People didn't think it'd pick up, but within a half year they sold so many they couldn't even keep up and you saw annoouncements and products subsequently from Acer, MSI, Everbook, and even HP and Dell more recently.  This category they invented fills a specific niche: low power computing at a low cost.  Even within that the rather new market has been changing quite a lot based on consumer wants (the move to Windows for example)

They actually started as Linux machines including the HP one, but MS realized they were losing gobs of market share to this ridiculously fast growing category of computers (outselling nearly everything, despite being preloaded with linux) and MS came out with a super cheap license of windows XP to put on netbooks Due to limitations by MS the laptops are not allowed to be sold with more than 160gb HD or 1gb of ram, which is why they all have exactly that much now.

Now, I know you've got your laundry list of things you want.  There are some laptops out there for you: the lenovo x300 and sony vaio x series, among others.  They have full size keyboards and higher screen resolutions and awesome battery and docking station ports and built-in DVD drives while still remaining lightweight But expect to pay over $2200 for those.

I mean I know you're a business user but I just don't see you fulfilling your requirements without either compromising on a netbook or finding a used IBM/lenovo/dell some big company is selling off on lease returns / end of life.  But I'd still take a new machine over someone's beat to hell dell.  If it was a thinkpad, maybe I'd take the thinkpad.

There are a lot of ways to go and its tough to figure out what would be best. It sounds like you strongly endorse this Acer thing, which is great. I just hadn't heard of Acer before, so I have to admit I was and maybe still am a bit skeptical.

The acer gets pretty good reviews, especially since it's a bit lighter and substantial cost savings over the other netbook choices; that's why I recommended it.   For ~$100 more you have your choice of MSI, HP, Asus, and even the Dell.  I know several people with the aceras well, though as I mentioned I have an asus eee.   Acer's a much bigger brand in europe where they've maintained like #2 in sales for a long long time, but there's really nothing terribly wrong with htem

Edit: Also, it doesn't have a built in optical drive, which would make an external one just about mandatory, wouldn't it? Does it even come with the OS install disks?

  That depends.  What do you need an optical drive for on an ultra portable?   If you say playing games, remember this won't be a gaming PC.  If it's installing software, that's more than easy enough to do over a network drive.  Watching movies on the plane? try DVD shrink.  You'll save gobs of battery even on laptops with optical drives.

My asus eee came with OS install disks but no optical drive.  It hasn't really stopped anyone, since you can just load the CD onto a usb key or usb HD if you don't want to go buy a usb optical drive.


Pick your poison; but at your budget you're either looking to buy a heavy tank of a laptop with all the doodads you want, or a netbook with some feature compromises.

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All good points.

Crast wrote:

Edit: Also, it doesn't have a built in optical drive, which would make an external one just about mandatory, wouldn't it? Does it even come with the OS install disks?

  That depends.  What do you need an optical drive for on an ultra portable?   If you say playing games, remember this won't be a gaming PC.  If it's installing software, that's more than easy enough to do over a network drive.  Watching movies on the plane? try DVD shrink.  You'll save gobs of battery even on laptops with optical drives.

No games. Mostly my concern was Operating System installation. I'd like to have XP Pro on one partition and Linux on the other. I have a 4GB flash drive that I could try to get the machine to install/boot from, but I heard that that was tricky. It's good to hear that yours came with the OS install disks, though.

I wouldn't mind if I ended up with a tank of a laptop, and if things like a dock end up being too much of a deal breaker than I can give that up. I don't particularly care about matte over glossy either. But I do think that I want the optical drive and the ability to hook up to an external monitor with nice resolution. I'd like to hope that those don't qualify as all that many doodads =[

Last edited by Killgore9998 (2008-12-11 17:33)

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Killgore9998 wrote:

But I do think that I want the optical drive and the ability to hook up to an external monitor with nice resolution. I'd like to hope that those don't qualify as all that many doodads =[

  I re-appropriated my xbox 360 hd-dvd drive for installing OSes on my eee, but I was just noting you can get by without a usb cdrom and still install an OS on one of the porta-laptops with some creativity if you want to be frugal.  I thought I would miss an optical drive since my other laptop has it built in, but I really haven't seen a need for it.   That resolution changing issue  on the external port for the acer really sucks, and that might be a deal-breaker honestly.   My eee 701 can drive a 1600x1200 monitor via its VGA port (with all the wonderfulness of intel integrated, though it does work), but I don't know if the eee 1000 / 900 series can, as they use different chipsets.  Worth investigating though.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/pr … 25_anav1~~   For about the same price as some of the higher spec netbooks, there are dells in range of your price points with the optical drive included et al.  Of course this laptop will be closer to 5.5 lbs instead of 2.5 lbs, but that's not terrible if you're used to carrying normal-weight laptops.  Still no docking station option though until you move into dell's business laptops.

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Crast wrote:

For about the same price as some of the higher spec netbooks, there are dells in range of your price points with the optical drive included et al.  Of course this laptop will be closer to 5.5 lbs instead of 2.5 lbs, but that's not terrible if you're used to carrying normal-weight laptops.  Still no docking station option though until you move into dell's business laptops.

It looks like that's probably what I'm going to end up doing. There are some great deals on refurbished Dell Latitudes right now on ebay, and I was actually already able to "appropriate" a compatible dock from an abandoned cube at work. 1.86GHz, 2GB RAM, 100GB HD, CDRW/DVD optical, 14" display, XP Pro, plus a good warranty. ~$400.

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Re: WTB very lightweight laptop (used or just a good deal)

Too bad you didn't ask this a few days ago, I spotted a Lenovo those 2.4lb laptops for $500 regular price $2k.

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Re: WTB very lightweight laptop (used or just a good deal)

Actually I did ask this a few days ago, but thanks anyway smile

I ended up getting one of those latitudes I mentioned for $385 and free shipping. I think it should work out just fine. Thanks for your help Crast

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Taknarosh wrote:

Too bad you didn't ask this a few days ago, I spotted a Lenovo those 2.4lb laptops for $500 regular price $2k.

  Damn if it was the x60 I'd have jumped on it.  It's essentially my ideal laptop I just couldn't afford it so I got the $400 eee.

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Killgore9998 wrote:

Actually I did ask this a few days ago, but thanks anyway smile

The special I spotted was on Saturday the 6th. Your post was made the 10th. That's what I meant.

Crast wrote:
Taknarosh wrote:

Too bad you didn't ask this a few days ago, I spotted a Lenovo those 2.4lb laptops for $500 regular price $2k.

  Damn if it was the x60 I'd have jumped on it.  It's essentially my ideal laptop I just couldn't afford it so I got the $400 eee.

They are the X61s and X61 laptops.

Here's the base X61s configuration for $564.50

    * Intel Core 2 Duo Processor L7500 LV (1.60GHz 800MHz 4MBL2)
    * Vista Home Basic
    * 12.1" XGA (1024x768 TFT)
    * Intel GMA X3100 Graphics
    * 1GB PC2-5300 DDR2 RAM (1 DIMM)
    * Trackpoint
    * 80GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive
    * X60s 4 cell Enhanced Battery
    * 1 Year Depot/Express Warranty
    * ~2.7lbs


And here's the base X61 Tablet configuration for $694.50

    * Intel Core 2 Duo Processor L7500 LV (1.60GHz 800MHz 4MBL2)
    * Vista Home Premium
    * 12.1" WVA XGA TFT
    * Intel GMA X3100 Graphics
    * 1GB PC2-5300 DDR2 RAM (1 DIMM)
    * Trackpoint
    * 80GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive
    * X60s 4 cell Enhanced Battery
    * 1 Year Depot/Express Warranty

From: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/show … p?t=669037

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